JSngry Posted September 8, 2010 Report Posted September 8, 2010 How delightful that I'm able to operate Phil Woods by remote control. So you're the guy that's been doing it! Quote
Larry Kart Posted September 8, 2010 Author Report Posted September 8, 2010 How delightful that I'm able to operate Phil Woods by remote control. So you're the guy that's been doing it! Unfortunately, I can only control some of what he says, not what he's played (with some exceptions) since about 1957-8. But let's not start that thread again. Quote
Big Wheel Posted September 8, 2010 Report Posted September 8, 2010 (edited) "Thad: brilliant writer, the next logical step in big band writing after Ellington" really? Wrote nice, but not in the same league as Ellington; think George Russell, Gil Evans, Julius Hemphill,as the next step (s). My point is that at least there's an easy argument at hand for Thad as an innovator and a great. You might not agree with placing him right NEXT to Ellington, but it's not laughable like saying Delfeayo Marsalis is one of the nation's pre-eminent jazz masters. "Hank: Criminally underrated, a contender for the best bebop pianist behind Bud (and Monk if you count him as bebop)" criminally under-rated? All I read about is how great he was; he was a nice pianist; but don't forget Al Haig, Duke Jordan, George Wallington, Tommy Flanagan, Herbie Nichols, Martial Solal, Lennie Tristano, Barbara Carrol, Mary Lou Williams, Hampton Hawes, Joe Albany, Carl Perkins. All as interesting or more. IMO Jones was significantly better than Haig, Wallington, Flanagan. Solal didn't come on the scene until around 1950. Tristano, Nichols, Williams, undoubtedly towering greats, but not easily categorized as bebop piano players. I really like Albany and Perkins (hell, I even produced a 10 hour radio program devoted to Perkins), but let's not kid ourselves about where the consensus here lies. Again, though, the point isn't to say Hank Jones is God, it's just that he's clearly more qualified than Ellis Freakin' Marsalis to get an NEA award as one of the top jazz musicians in history, and there's no shortage of non-laughable cases to be made for such a candidacy. also, I've never heard a bad word about Phil Woods. Please be careful what you say in a public forum. I'm glad to know even Allen Lowe draws the line somewhere. Edited September 8, 2010 by Big Wheel Quote
Big Wheel Posted September 8, 2010 Report Posted September 8, 2010 Interesting, honoring an entire family...why don't they just give an award to Ellis for his sperm and that would take care of the rest. Reminds me of when the Rose Kennedy Greenway was being unveiled in Boston. One of my friends' reactions was "What the hell did Rose Kennedy do besides have famous men coming in and out of her vagina? They should call it the Rose Kennedy Urban Birth Canal." Quote
Christiern Posted September 8, 2010 Report Posted September 8, 2010 Interesting, honoring an entire family...why don't they just give an award to Ellis for his sperm and that would take care of the rest. Reminds me of when the Rose Kennedy Greenway was being unveiled in Boston. One of my friends' reactions was "What the hell did Rose Kennedy do besides have famous men coming in and out of her vagina? They should call it the Rose Kennedy Urban Birth Canal." Who went in? Quote
Big Wheel Posted September 8, 2010 Report Posted September 8, 2010 Interesting, honoring an entire family...why don't they just give an award to Ellis for his sperm and that would take care of the rest. Reminds me of when the Rose Kennedy Greenway was being unveiled in Boston. One of my friends' reactions was "What the hell did Rose Kennedy do besides have famous men coming in and out of her vagina? They should call it the Rose Kennedy Urban Birth Canal." Who went in? Joseph P. Kennedy wasn't exactly an unknown... Quote
Dan Gould Posted September 9, 2010 Report Posted September 9, 2010 Interesting, honoring an entire family...why don't they just give an award to Ellis for his sperm and that would take care of the rest. Reminds me of when the Rose Kennedy Greenway was being unveiled in Boston. One of my friends' reactions was "What the hell did Rose Kennedy do besides have famous men coming in and out of her vagina? They should call it the Rose Kennedy Urban Birth Canal." Who went in? Didn't think that the mechanics would have to be explained, but Joe Kennedy went in and a whole sackful of scumbags came out. Quote
AllenLowe Posted September 9, 2010 Report Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) as for bebop pianists - my preference would be (if we're sticking to that era) Lennie Tristano Wallington Haig Duke Jordan Barbara Carrol, Hank Jones I really think Hank was the least of all those (though Tristano told me was "a real piano player" as opposed to John Lewis, interestingly enough). Not that he wasn't a fine player, but he had the least depth, to my ears. And as he said himself, Haig was his first modern influence. and I'm not so much worried about drawing lines as being accurate. Edited September 9, 2010 by AllenLowe Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted September 9, 2010 Report Posted September 9, 2010 Phil is right and wrong at the same time. The Marsalis family thing is a joke. So might be the Phil thing if my standards were applied. BUT I don't want to deny any award to any musician. Elect Fred Below to the Jazz Hall of Fame! Quote
paul secor Posted September 9, 2010 Report Posted September 9, 2010 Exactly who does vote on this stuff? Quote
Free For All Posted September 9, 2010 Report Posted September 9, 2010 Exactly who does vote on this stuff? Quote
paul secor Posted September 9, 2010 Report Posted September 9, 2010 Exactly who does vote on this stuff? Thanks. Figuerd some such. Quote
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