Herbie Hancock Complete Columbia Box

[erwbol]

One a side note, over the last few days I've been transfering this music into my iTunes library and noticed instead of the actual album titles showing up when imported each album comes up as either The Acoustic Collection or The Electric Collection. I wonder if there are future plans to subdivide this music and release as two additional boxes with different target audiences? Stranger things have happened.

Where would they fit Dedication? Or would they split the album up?

[felser]

Cannonball box would be awesome (even though some of the latter stuff is at times borderline unlistenable to me when they decided they were vocalists). but only Sony seems to have seen the light on these kind of boxes. I'm amazed I'm getting this Hancock box for $3 a disc.

Universal is doing some similar sets, but it seems they all come out of Italy (and they include Concord/Fantasy material, as Universal is their distributor in Euorope).

Oh well now! That means you could have a set covering Cannonball uninterrupted from first Capitol to last Fantasy, and...people who find the Herbie Columbia run maddeningly inconsistent because the only single answer to it all is that there is no single answer to it all would be sent running and screaming to the nearest asylum with a one-way ticket in hand by that thing.

Listening to 'The Price You Got To Pay To Be Free' or either of the 'Zodiac' albums uniterrupted would be enough to send me running and screaming to the nearest asylum wiht a one-way ticket in hand...

[king ubu]

I'd definitely not hold my breath on any Adderley box ... I don't think Concord/Fantasy and Universal proper recordings were ever mixed on any of those albums box sets.

felser, I assume the ones you meant were the French complete masters, of which five were released: Bechet, Armstrong, Parker, Holiday, Fitzgerald ... the ones I had in mind were the Italian ones, which mostly stem from Fantasy holdings, like the Complete Prestige Albums by Coltrane, Rollins, Dolphy, Miles, the Complete Riverside Albums by Monk, Evans etc. (those are not reissues of the previous US box-sets, but instead the just contain the actual leader albums, so the 8CD Rollins set misses quite a few things compared to the previous 7CD Rollins Complete Prestige Recordings set) ... but they also re-did the "Early Ellington" 3CD set, the Brownie EmArcy box, the Bird and JATP Verve boxes and some more.

[felser]

Not aware of those Italian sets, thx. Just a Capitol Adderley alone would be mind-blowing, but I don't expect it either. More of a Daydream because it would be so jarring by the end.

[JSngry]

The Price You Got To Pay To Be Free is totally schizo, and in the best possible way. There's more than a little stuff on there that backs up Zawinul's boast that Cannonball's band was playing hipper material live during that time than was Miles. And there's more than a little stuff on there that doesn't...but perhaps that's the price you got to pay to be free.

As for the Zodiac stuff, the Walter Booker/Roy McCurdy hookup remains one of the greatest in the history of the world (not just in music),and not even Rick Holmes is gonna step on that!

and w/o Rick Holmes...

Works for me. Booker/McCurdy FTW.

[jazzbo]

I'm a big fan of the Adderley material as well. . . . Have it but would love a box set. But what I would love and what I get are often different things.

[Teasing the Korean]

I wish someone would release an expanded version of "Death Wish" that includes all of the cool music in the film that did not make it to the LP.

[JSngry]

What i would really want would be unedited Cannonball Capitol live sessions , if they in fact exist )or if in fact they ever did)...

But - can you imagine a box set that starts with the Nancy Wilson album, ends with Lovers, and literally has all kinds of things in between? Zodiacs! Strings! Charles Lloyds! Big Mans! Joe Williamss! Mike Deasys! Experience In Es! GREAT things! HORRIBLE things! Literally damn near everything.

Never mind listening through it - imagine living through it as a musician. The kind of world that allows for a "jazz musician" to be that free (and yes, "commercialism" is freedom when it's by choice) and still maintain a loyal and sustainable "jazz audience"...that kind of world does not exist any more. Not even remotely. So it's not just musical history that such a set would document, it's social history as well, moreso than a lot of things.

And perhaps that's why it will never happen...because "jazz" today is nowhere near that free...but don't tell it that, it will become indignant and call you names and accuse you of just not getting it and/or attempting to impose impurity, and besides, Fathead Newman was not a jazz musician, so what do YOU know about it?

If they ever do come out with that kind of a Cannonball set, I'm liable to buy two, one to keep out in the open, and another to hide up in the attic to protect from when the Jazz Police come searching and seizing.

[jazzbo]

I like the way you think. I would love this set too, and would love to live inside that musical world. That's the way my musical world is blooming, to enwrap all types of music with interest.

[erwbol]

I wish someone would release an expanded version of "Death Wish" that includes all of the cool music in the film that did not make it to the LP.

There's not much in the way of bonus content on this set that hasn't been released on CD before.

The only thing of interest beside eight albums not being released outside of Japan before, is that all Japanese CD releases of V.S.O.P. The Quintet: Five Stars, their only studio album, used alternate takes of Skagly and Finger Painting. This is the first time the LP versions of both tunes are released in digital format (along with the alternates).

Edited November 18, 2013 by erwbol

[king ubu]

I like the way you think. I would love this set too, and would love to live inside that musical world. That's the way my musical world is blooming, to enwrap all types of music with interest.

Yes! And yes again ... and dammit, yes, such is life ... and indeed it's that way around here

[king ubu]

Dang! The DHL order was something else ... so I'm *still* waiting for the Herbie, I am getting very impatient, after all it's been close to eight week since my (pre-)order and I thought the idea of pre-orders was they should send it so you have in on street day ... not that that really matters, but come on, it's been ten days en route now and was shipped only after erwbol had already received his, how effin' lame is that?

Anyway, I picked up the new November edition of Wire and there's a three page review (by Greg Tate, don't know him, I think) of the box. Started reading it on my way home, makes me all the more impatient!

[erwbol]

If it's any consolation, they'd have to throw the parcel from a fifth floor window to damage the box set with this kind of packaging.

[king ubu]

Oh well, pessimist that I am these days, what makes you think mine's packed the same thorough way? ... dammit, I want the sucker now!

[erwbol]

The inner cube with the thick bubble plastic and the box set inside has a sticker with a barcode and numbers on it that lead me to believe that this is the way these sets are stored in their warehouse.

[king ubu]

Okay, that does console me a bit

[mikeweil]

I wish someone would release an expanded version of "Death Wish" that includes all of the cool music in the film that did not make it to the LP.

[jazzbo]

Mine arrived today. Wasn't packaged as mentioned above, but was in a separate box inside a box, and the outer box was pretty mangled somewhere along the way from Germany, but the box set was well-protected.

A very handsome set. Looking forward to hearing a few of these dates I haven't heard, and many that I haven't heard in a while.

[king ubu]

It's crazy, huh, I'm really the very last ... I'll definitely complain about that, I have a hunch it has to do with some custom fees amazon made me pre-pay (!!! - never had such a thing happen before!) but that will cover a third maximum of the actual fees (about which amazon's faq say they will pay that ... ha, let's waaaaaaaaaaaaait - I'm doing so folks, just move ahead slowly! - and see).

Edited November 19, 2013 by king ubu

[king ubu]

Phew, got it, finally! But packaging was a gamble! The box was shrinkwrapped, and then thrown into a large box not stuffed very well at all, and that large box was indeed pretty mangled! Glad it arrived here okay. Got to deal with the pre-paid fees that amazon added to the order now ... (it's € 7 only, but they say they might ask for more in the conditions of their AmazonGlobal which they applied to this order even though I chose the standard shipping option which is free). Anyway, even if it's just 7 euro, I'm not into paying fees twice, since obviously the mailman at the door (I don't blame him!) had no idea about that (partially) pre-paid thing.

Anyway, starting to listen now, just put "Dedication" in the player!

[jazzbo]

Bet our outer boxes looked similar.

Mastering on this set is really good (at least so far, I bet it is throughout).

[king ubu]

I only listened to albums new to me, but the whole thing is very nice, for sure! Will try and read Belden's liners soon, but so far only went through the short comments on those albums I played. Very happy to finally have it here!

[PHILLYQ]

Dang! The DHL order was something else ... so I'm *still* waiting for the Herbie, I am getting very impatient, after all it's been close to eight week since my (pre-)order and I thought the idea of pre-orders was they should send it so you have in on street day ... not that that really matters, but come on, it's been ten days en route now and was shipped only after erwbol had already received his, how effin' lame is that?

Anyway, I picked up the new November edition of Wire and there's a three page review (by Greg Tate, don't know him, I think) of the box. Started reading it on my way home, makes me all the more impatient!

Ubu, Greg Tate is the driving force behind Burnt Sugar and used to write about music for the Village Voice. IIRC, he was punched out by Stanley Grouch while at the Village Voice!

[JSngry]

Greg Tate was also, IIRC, one of the first guys to "reevaluate" electric Miles, with a two-part article in Down Beat ca. very late-70s, during the retirement period. For myself, it was beyond refreshing to read somebody who was hearing that music much the same way I was. It was quite uncommon at the time to read something like that, believe me.

Again, I think this is the same guy, not 100% certain.

[CJ Shearn]

Greg Tate contributes liners to the Miles Legacy Edition of Bitches Brew as well.