king ubu Posted May 26, 2010 Report Posted May 26, 2010 (edited) A friend of mine bought this CD - haven't heard it, even less been able to compare the takes. I put in bold the tracks included. Date: August 31, 1960 Location: Nola Penthouse Studios, New York City Label: Candid Max Roach (ldr), Walter Benton, Coleman Hawkins (ts), Booker Little (t), Julian Priester (tb), James Schenk (b), Max Roach (d), Abbey Lincoln (v) a. Driva' Man - 05:10 (Max Roach, Oscar Brown, Jr.) b. 1 - Freedom Day [aka Liberté] - 06:02 (Max Roach, Oscar Brown, Jr.) Both titles on: - Columbia LP 12": JC 36390 - We Insist! Max Roach's Freedom Now Suite (1980) - Candid CD: CCD 9002 - We Insist! Max Roach's Freedom Now Suite Omit Coleman Hawkins (ts) on b. Outtakes are said to exist but have never been issued. Date: November 1, 1960 Location: Nola Penthouse Studios, New York City Label: Candid Jazz Artists Guild (ldr), Eric Dolphy (as), Walter Benton (ts), Cecil Payne (bar), Benny Bailey, Booker Little (t), Kenny Dorham (t, p), Julian Priester (tb), Peck Morrison (b), Jo Jones, Max Roach (d), Abbey Lincoln (v) 2 - a. Oh Yeah, Oh Yeah (Kenny Dorham) 3 - b. Cliff Walk - 09:45 (Booker Little) Candid LP 12": 9022 - Newport Rebels Candid CD: CCD 79022 - Newport Rebels (1991) c. Ain't Nobody's Business If I Do - 07:18 (Porter Grainger, Everett Robbins) Candid LP 12": 9022 - Newport Rebels Candid CD: CCD 79022 - Newport Rebels (1991) d. tk 3 Ain't Nobody's Business If I Do - 07:47 (Porter Grainger, Everett Robbins) Candid CD: CCD 79033 - Candid Dolphy (1989) Omit Eric Dolphy (as) on a, b. Omit Walter Benton (ts) on c, d. Cecil Payne (bar) on a only. Omit Benny Bailey (t) on b. Kenny Dorham (t) on a only. Booker Little (t) on b only. Omit Julian Priester (tb) on c, d. Omit Kenny Dorham (p) on a, b. Omit Jo Jones (d) on a. Omit Max Roach (d) on c, d. Omit Abbey Lincoln (v) on a, b. Date: February 22, 1961 Location: Nola Penthouse Studios, New York City Label: Candid Abbey Lincoln (ldr), Eric Dolphy (pic, f, bcl, as), Walter Benton, Coleman Hawkins (ts), Booker Little (t, arr), Julian Priester (tb, arr), Mal Waldron (p, arr), Art Davis (b), Max Roach (d, arr), Roger 'Montego Joe' Sanders, Robert Whitley (cga), Abbey Lincoln (v) a. a-01 Straight Ahead - 05:18 (Abbey Lincoln, Mal Waldron, Earl Baker) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead 4 - b. a-02 When Malindy Sings - 04:00 (Oscar Brown, Jr., Paul Laurence Dunbar) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead 5 - c. a-03 In The Red - 08:23 (Abbey Lincoln, Max Roach, Chips Bayen) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead d. b-01 Monkery's The Blues [lyric version of Blue Monk] - 06:32 (Thelonious Monk, Abbey Lincoln) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead e. b-02 Left Alone - 06:42 (Billie Holiday, Mal Waldron) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead f. b-03 African Lady - 03:42 (Randy Weston, Langston Hughes) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead g. b-03 (tk 04) African Lady - 03:39 (Randy Weston, Langston Hughes) Candid CD: CCD 79033 - Candid Dolphy (1989) h. b-04 Retribution - 03:45 (Abbey Lincoln, Julian Priester) CBS LP 12": S 64655 - Straight Ahead Candid LP 12": CJM 8015 - Straight Ahead Candid CD: CCD 79015 - Straight Ahead Eric Dolphy (pic) on f, g only. Eric Dolphy (f) on b only. Eric Dolphy (bcl) on e, h only. Omit Eric Dolphy (as) on e, f, g, h. Roger 'Montego Joe' Sanders (cga) on f, g only. Robert Whitley (cga) on f, g only. Booker Little (arr) on b, c only. Julian Priester (arr) on e, h only. Max Roach (arr) on f, g only. Mal Waldron (arr) on a, d only. Contrary to Lord, Dolphy plays flute not piccolo on b. Date: March 17, 1961 Location: Nola Penthouse Studios, New York City Label: Candid Booker Little (ldr), Eric Dolphy (f, bcl, as), Booker Little (t), Julian Priester (tb), Don Friedman (p), Art Davis (b), Max Roach (d, tmp) 6 - a. We Speak - 6:41 (Booker Little) Candid LP 12": CJM 8027 — Out Front Candid CD: 32JDC-106 — Out Front + 1 Candid CD: TKCB-30462 — Out Front + 1 Candid CD: CCD 79027 — Out Front (2000) b. tk 01 alt Quiet Please - 8:12 (Booker Little) Candid CD: CCD 79033 — Candid Dolphy (1989) c. Quiet Please - 8:00 (Booker Little) Candid LP 12": CJM 8027 — Out Front Candid CD: 32JDC-106 — Out Front + 1 Candid CD: TKCB-30462 — Out Front + 1 Candid CD: CCD 79027 — Out Front (2000) 7 - d. A New Day - 5:23 (Booker Little) Candid LP 12": CJM 8027 — Out Front Candid CD: 32JDC-106 — Out Front + 1 Candid CD: TKCB-30462 — Out Front + 1 Candid CD: CCD 79027 — Out Front (2000) Eric Dolphy (f) on d; (bcl) on a-c; (as) on a. All titles from Candid CM 8027 issued on CBS Sony-Candid (Jap) SOPC-57004, Victor-Candid (Jap) SMJ-6170, Barnaby BR-5019, Candid (G) 9027. The timings differ by a few seconds here and there, but that may well just be because the disco or the CD listing includes some silence etc... The most interesting thing seems to be #2, "Oh Yeah, Oh Yeah", which seems to be previously unreleased! Other than that, my guess is it's just yet another slightly silly repacking. A bit silly that they couldn't add that one track to the "Newport Rebels" CD! Edited May 26, 2010 by king ubu Quote
JohnS Posted May 26, 2010 Report Posted May 26, 2010 (edited) I spoke to Alan Bates some years ago and he said that there was still unissued Candid material (Jaki Byard was mentioned as I recall). Though as nothing new has emerged for many years I guess this is likely to be another repackaging. Edited May 26, 2010 by JohnS Quote
king ubu Posted May 26, 2010 Author Report Posted May 26, 2010 So just the one track (Oh Yeah, Oh Yeah) is new, and the rest isn't from any newly discovered reels w/outtakes (see note to the first session above), you guess? Quote
Claude Schlouch Posted May 26, 2010 Report Posted May 26, 2010 Kenny Dorham, Benny Bailey (tp), Julian Priester (tb), Walter Benton (ts), Cecil Payne (bs), John"Peck"Morrison (b), Max Roach (dm) Nola Penthouse Studios, New York City, November 1, 1960 Oh yeah, oh yeah Barnaby BR-5021, Candid CJM-8019 CJM-8019 (mono) = CJS-9019 (stereo). This title also on Candid 79038, (Jap)32JDC-156, KICJ-8385, SMJ-6188, TECW-20554, TKCB-30763. Candid CJM-8019 The jazz life!/Jazz artists guild Candid 79038 Max Roach-Candid Roach Candid(Jap)32JDC-156 (1988) The jazz life!/Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)KICJ-8385 (2002) The jazz life!/Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)SMJ-6188 (1978) The jazz life!/Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)TECW-20554 (1997) The jazz life!/Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)TKCB-30763 (1993) The jazz life!/Jazz artists guild _______________________________________________________________________________________ Benny Bailey (tp), Eric Dolphy (as, b-cl), Kenny Dorham (p), John"Peck"Morrison (b), Jo Jones (dm), Abbey Lincoln (vocal on both versions) Nola Penthouse Studios, New York City, November 1, 1960 T'aint nobody's business if I do (take ?) Barnaby BR-5022, Candid CJM-8022 T'aint nobody's business if I do (take 3) Candid(G)BLP-9033 CJM-8022 (mono) = CJS-9022 (stereo). First take (take ?) on also on Beppo(E)505, Candid 79022, (G)CCD-79022, (Jap)32JDC-157, KICJ-8386, SMJ-6187, TECW-20555. Take 3 also on Candid(G)CCD-79033, (Jap)KICJ-8387, TECW-20553, TKCB-30009. Candid 79022 Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid CJM-8022 Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid(G)BLP-9033 Eric Dolphy-Candid Dolphy Candid(G)CCD-79022 Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid(G)CCD-79033 Eric Dolphy-Candid Dolphy Candid(Jap)32JDC-157 (1988) Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)KICJ-8386 (2002) Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)KICJ-8387 (2002) Eric Dolphy-Candid Dolphy Candid(Jap)SMJ-6187 (1978) Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)TECW-20553 (1997) Eric Dolphy-Candid Dolphy Candid(Jap)TECW-20555 (1997) Newport rebels-Jazz artists guild Candid(Jap)TKCB-30009 (1990) Eric Dolphy-Candid Dolphy CDs are in bold type. Quote
king ubu Posted May 26, 2010 Author Report Posted May 26, 2010 So jazzdiscography.com is in error about "Oh Yeah, Oh Yeah" - it's indeed on the Jazz Life CD! And so there are two takes of "T'aint Nobody's Business if I Do" - I assume the one on "Candid Roach" (you don't list that release above!) is the other one than on Straight Ahead? Quote
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