king ubu Posted May 20, 2010 Report Posted May 20, 2010 Does anyone have soloists listings for this date? I'd be most interested in identifying the trumpet soloists (the trumpet section consisted of Donald Byrd, Ray Copeland, Idrees Sulieman and Bill Hardman - quite a trumpet section!), but I also wonder about the 'bone players: all solos by Cleveland, or does Frank Rehak (or even Melba Liston) have a spot, too? And the alto sax? They're Sahib Shihab and Bill Graham... who'd be the lead player? I have the Bethlehem 2CD reissue (John Coltrane - The Bethlehem years) that combines the Blakey Big Band album and the Pettiford part of "Winner's Circle" on disc 1 and contains a second disc with a ton of outtakes from the big band session(s). The CD contains new liners (how new I don't know) by Art Lange (best known for longish and boringish liners on hatOLOGY discs) that weren't proof-read and contain some embarassing fluffs (Griffin instead of Mobe on "Tenor Conclave"...) Would be happy about any additional information! Quote
king ubu Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Posted May 21, 2010 Anyone? Do the original liner notes contain the info I'm looking for? They're not included with the CD! Quote
sidewinder Posted May 21, 2010 Report Posted May 21, 2010 (edited) I've got the 70s vinyl reissue - will dig it out (an exped required) and see what the notes say. Recall at least one good solo by Bill Hardman ('Midriff', I think) leading into a majesterial Coltrane solo. Edited May 21, 2010 by sidewinder Quote
king ubu Posted May 21, 2010 Author Report Posted May 21, 2010 would be much appreciated if you could check! Quote
Chas Posted May 22, 2010 Report Posted May 22, 2010 The big band solos are as follows: Midriff : Hardman,Coltrane,Bishop, Ain't Life Grand ; Copeland,Coltrane,Bishop El Toro Valiente : Sahib,Cleveland,Blakey, Sahib The Kiss Of No Return : Sahib,Sulieman,Rehak,Cleveland,Sahib The Outer World : Coltrane,Sulieman Quote
king ubu Posted May 22, 2010 Author Report Posted May 22, 2010 (edited) Thanks a lot! So my hunch that all the trumpet players are heard was correct - much appreciated! I hope sidewinder sees this before he starts his expedition Edited May 22, 2010 by king ubu Quote
sidewinder Posted May 23, 2010 Report Posted May 23, 2010 I hope sidewinder sees this before he starts his expedition Yeah, thanks Ubu. I roughly know where it is though ! Quote
king ubu Posted May 25, 2010 Author Report Posted May 25, 2010 For anyone who has the 2CD set - there's one take of "Oasis", an outtake not used on the album, that opens the second disc. Who might be the featured trumpet player there? Just playing the second disc now, with all the alternate takes - pretty intriguing! Quote
brownie Posted May 31, 2010 Report Posted May 31, 2010 Always wondered who was the photographer who took the images that adorned the cover of the original Bethlehem LP. Quite a number of very interesting shots among those 17 photos. That big band session was quite a gathering of superb musicians! The liner notes to the LP do not credit any of them! The double CD 'John Coltrane, the Bethlehem Years' used several of those - including the cover shot of Coltrane - but the photos were wrecked by out of focus reproductions. And still no photographer's credits in the liner notes of the reissue! Quote
king ubu Posted May 31, 2010 Author Report Posted May 31, 2010 Always wondered who was the photographer who took the images that adorned the cover of the original Bethlehem LP. Quite a number of very interesting shots among those 17 photos. That big band session was quite a gathering of superb musicians! The liner notes to the LP do not credit any of them! The double CD 'John Coltrane, the Bethlehem Years' used several of those - including the cover shot of Coltrane - but the photos were wrecked by out of focus reproductions. And still no photographer's credits in the liner notes of the reissue! This one had quite a few covers! Quote
brownie Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 and none of those releases give credit to the photographer at the original session The blue tainted closeup of Blakey on the Bethlehem reissue was taken by Francis Wolff. Wonder if he was credited on that LP! Quote
Chas Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Always wondered who was the photographer who took the images that adorned the cover of the original Bethlehem LP. Absent some reason to think otherwise, can't we assume that the cover photos/design are by Burt Goldblatt ? Quote
brownie Posted June 1, 2010 Report Posted June 1, 2010 Always wondered who was the photographer who took the images that adorned the cover of the original Bethlehem LP. Absent some reason to think otherwise, can't we assume that the cover photos/design are by Burt Goldblatt ? That would be the sensible answer but then why would he remain uncredited? His other (and frquent) contributions on Bethlehem LPs bore his signature. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 2, 2010 Report Posted June 2, 2010 Just bought the 2CD Bethlehem set today, found in the used racks down the street from my house. Looking forward to giving it a listen. Quote
king ubu Posted June 2, 2010 Author Report Posted June 2, 2010 Just bought the 2CD Bethlehem set today, found in the used racks down the street from my house. Looking forward to giving it a listen. It's quite good, really! And the second disc is fun as you hear them straightening out stuff... sort of like a window into their work shop there. Quote
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