ghost of miles Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Just got the Hat re-issue of the live '61 Giuffre/Bley/Swallow concerts. This topic may have come up before, but what precedents exist for unusual trio dates before, say, Rollins' live performances at the Vanguard in '57? I immediately thought of some of the Sidney Bechet Victor sides, as well as Goodman's 30's and late 40's dates--any others? Quote
jazzbo Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Are you including the Cole Trio format, and the many jumpers onto that bandwagon such as Tatum, Brown, Blazers, Ray Charles, many others? Quote
ghost of miles Posted December 4, 2003 Author Report Posted December 4, 2003 Are you including the Cole Trio format, and the many jumpers onto that bandwagon such as Tatum, Brown, Blazers, Ray Charles, many others? Hmmm.... well, I guess anything but piano/bass/drums. Which would include Cole & Brown... but I'm particularly interested in early trio dates that included a horn, or wind instrument of some kind. Quote
jazzbo Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Okay, Tatum, Ray Charles and oh so many did the guitar/bass/piano thing, so that is not that unusual actually at all. Stuff Smith did some interesting trio material as did Eddie South I believe. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Clarinet/piano/drums(or washboard, or banjo) trios were very common on record in the 20s. Many examples are available by Johnny Dodds, Jelly Roll Morton, Jimmy Blythe, Omer Simeon, Jimmy O'Bryant, etc. Pee Wee Russell made some dandy trio sides in the 40s and Bud Freeman substituted the tenor for clarinet in a famous series for Commodore. Bud also did tenor/piano/drums sides in the 50s for Grand Award and Dot. In the '60s Bud made a wonderful record for UA with two guitars (George Barnes and Carl Kress). Quote
Brownian Motion Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 One of my favorite trios was Mary Lou Williams, Bill Coleman, and bassist Al Hall. This was a working band in 1944 and cut half a dozen sides for Asch records. Very fine little group with Mary Lou's arrangements and piano and Coleman's skipping trumpet solos. Unfortunately, the recorded sound wasn't anywhere near state-of-the-art. Quote
Joe Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Didn't Hot Lips Page record some trio sides with Teddy Bunn and Leonard Feather in the late 30's? Though recorded in the early 1960's, this is rather much in the idiom Chuck mentions... Quote
jazzbo Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 Yeah buddy Chuck, all that stuff you mention is great. Going to have to find the Grand Award Pee Wee! Quote
mikeweil Posted December 4, 2003 Report Posted December 4, 2003 (edited) Lester Young's trio sides with Nat King Cole and either Red Callender (Aladdin) or Buddy Rich (Clef) deserve mention. Edited December 4, 2003 by mikeweil Quote
jlhoots Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 Giuffre with Brookmeyer & Hall (if I understand the question). Quote
.:.impossible Posted December 5, 2003 Report Posted December 5, 2003 The Red Norvo Trio with Tal Farlow and Charles Mingus Savoy sessions were recorded in the wee-1950s. That is a pretty popular and unusual trio preceding the Rollins date. Quote
Brad Posted December 6, 2003 Report Posted December 6, 2003 Not early but still good are Kenny Drew, NHOP and Phillip Catherine. Just picked up a Steeplechase of a German concert. Quote
Brownian Motion Posted December 7, 2003 Report Posted December 7, 2003 In the 1930s Bill Coleman and Herman Chittison and a bass player made a few sides itogether in Paris. In my opinion such sides as "Georgia On My Mind" and "I'm in the Mood for Love" are masterpieces, but, then, I'm quite partial to Coleman's trumpet work, as perhaps some already know. Quote
paul secor Posted December 8, 2003 Report Posted December 8, 2003 Unusual trios - An early date: Joe Venuti-vln; Eddie Lang-gtr; Frank Signorelli-pno: Wild Cat (1928). More contemporary recordings: Frank Lowe-ts; Carlos Ward-flt; Phillip Wilson-dms: "Inappropriate Choices" from the CD of the same name (ITM). Fraser MacPherson-ts; Oliver Gannon-gtr; Wyatt Ruther-bs: Live at the Planetarium West End) and Someday You'll Be Sorry (DSM). Charlie Kohlhase-as; Roswell Rudd-mellophone; John Turner-bs: "Siva & Sakti" from Eventuality (Nada). Roswell Rudd-tbn; Sheila Jordan-vcl; Mike Kull-pno: "The Light" from Broad Strokes (Knitting Factory). Roswell Rudd-tbn; Greg Millar-gtr; John Bacon, Jr.-dms, vbs: The Unheard Herbie Nichols Vols. 1&2 (CIMP). Lucky Thompson-ts; Oscar Pettiford-bs; Skeeter Best-gtr: (ABC). Russel Hisashi Baba- sop sax, as; Ray Cheng-vln; Heshima Mark Williams-bs: "Country Square" & "Spirit Shere" from Russel Hisashi Baba (Ruba). Jimmy Lyons-as; Karen Borca-basoon; Paul Murphy-dms: disc 4A of the Jimmy Lyons Box Set (Ayler). Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted December 8, 2003 Report Posted December 8, 2003 Geez, I was looking for pre'61 trios and didn't think about later. Let me proudly mention Lester Bowie/Roscoe Mitchell/Malachi Favors on my Art Ensemble box, recorded in 1967. Two horns and bass. Quote
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