New York Art Quartet

[jeffcrom]

Anyone seen/heard this yet?

[paul secor]

No, but a big THANKS! for the heads up.

Even cheaper here: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8097639

[Chalupa]

Yeah, I got that email from Amazon too and I have some questions about this release. First, has this material been available before in trading circles and; second, is this a legit release?

[jeffcrom]

Yeah, I got that email from Amazon too and I have some questions about this release. First, has this material been available before in trading circles and; second, is this a legit release?

Don't know the answer to the first question, but as far as I know, Cuneiform has never appeared to be a pirate label. Here's their page on this release.

[Caravan]

Yeah, I got that email from Amazon too and I have some questions about this release. First, has this material been available before in trading circles and; second, is this a legit release?

This has previously(1970s)been released on a French LP titled "Roswell Rudd" (IIRC the label was called "America"). These are Dutch radio (studio) recordings from 1965. The group also played at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, with the Ornette Coleman Trio doing the second part of the concert. I was there.

[jeffcrom]

Yeah, I got that email from Amazon too and I have some questions about this release. First, has this material been available before in trading circles and; second, is this a legit release?

This has previously(1970s)been released on a French LP titled "Roswell Rudd" (IIRC the label was called "America"). These are Dutch radio (studio) recordings from 1965. The group also played at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw, with the Ornette Coleman Trio doing the second part of the concert. I was there.

The new CD doesn't appear to be the same as the America "Roswell Rudd Quartet" album. It has some of the same tunes, but the timings are different. And it has tunes which don't appear on the America album.

Edited February 7, 2010 by jeffcrom

[king ubu]

Seems to be Danish if the info on CDUniverse is correct:

New York Art Quartet Old Stuff CD

1. Rosmosis

2. Sweet Smells

3. Old Stuff

4. Pannonica

5. Kvintus T

6. Pa Tirsdag

7. Old Stuff

8. Cool Eyes

9. Sweet V

10. Karin's Blues

11. Kirsten

Recording information: Concert Hall of the Radio House, Danish Broadcasting Co (10/14/1965); Montmartre Jazzhus, Copenhagen, Denmark (10/14/1965); Concert Hall of the Radio House, Danish Broadcasting Co (10/24/1965); Montmartre Jazzhus, Copenhagen, Denmark (10/24/1965).

Photographer: Teit Jorgensen.

Personnel: John Tchicai (alto saxophone); Roswell Rudd (trombone); Louis Moholo (drums).

Liner Note Author: Jason Weiss.

The Hilversum session is something different, it seems:

New York Art Quartet or Roswell Rudd - I don't know which title is correct

America (F)30AM6114

Roswell Rudd (tb) John Tchicai (as) Finn van Eyben (b) Louis Moholo (d)

Broadcast, Hilversum, November 2, 1965

Respects

Old stuff

Jabulani

Sweet smells

Pannonica

Rosmosis (unissued)

[Late]

Different than the America title. The sound samples are nice. Thanks for the heads-up — damn you!

[peterintoronto]

Thanks for the heads up X 2!

The samples sound fantastic. Another one to the ever-growing shopping list!

[brownie]

Release notification from Cuneiform!

[John L]

So did this band (without Don Moore and Mildred Graves) still bill itself as the New York Art Quartet, or as the Roswell Rudd Quartet, like it is given for the side on America?

[Niko]

" I had tried to bring the New York Art Quartet to Scandinavia in the fall of 1965, but it ended up only Rudd and I getting over there. So we asked Moholo and a Danish bassist named Finn von Eyben to play with us. "

http://www.johntchicai.com/rub_tchicai/page_inter.html

and if you want some basic genetic information about Finn von Eyben:

http://www.voneyben.dk/

Edited February 8, 2010 by Niko

[AllenLowe]

as for how legit this is, I'm supposed to talk with Roswell this week; I'll try to remember to ask him.

[clifford_thornton]

Cuneiform is legit, don't worry.

[Head Man]

Cuneiform is legit, don't worry.

Yes, I'm sure it is too.

I've been listening to my copy of this over the weekend and it's a knockout. Strongly recommended to everyone who likes 'this sort of thing'!

[clifford_thornton]

Yeah, mine is on its way. I like the America LP quite a bit, too.

[AllenLowe]

question is - when they reissue something like this and there's no single leader, who gets paid? Sidemen are not paid for reissues -

[JETman]

question is - when they reissue something like this and there's no single leader, who gets paid? Sidemen are not paid for reissues -

Why? Are you looking for a piece of the action?

[clifford_thornton]

Technically it's not a reissue.

[clifford_thornton]

Email from the head cheese about this very subject:

This release is fully authorized by all the musicians, all of whom have given their approval and received money from us.

[AllenLowe]

good point - if it's not reissue - however, I assume they were paid for the original session (?). Point is, once the side men are paid, technically they do not have to be paid again.

and yes, I would like a 10 percent finders fee (since I found this thread and managed to make no sense whatsoever on it) -

[JohnS]

Thanks for the heads up, I'm going to have to get this one, a great band.

[Larry Kart]

I heard a version of the New York Eye and Ear Control band (Rudd, Tchicai, Ayler, probably Milford Graves, don't recall the bassist) in a loft above the Vanguard in what year of the mid-'60s I also don't recall. Only time I heard Ayler in person.

[clifford_thornton]

I read/heard somewhere that Ayler sat in with the NYAQ a few times.

Pretty sweet story!

[Larry Kart]

I read/heard somewhere that Ayler sat in with the NYAQ a few times.

Pretty sweet story!

Maybe I wrote what you read -- the piece "Notes and Memories of the New Music," written for Down Beat's "Music '69" (or was it "Music '70"?) yearbook, reprinted in my "Jazz In Search of Itself."