Pim Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 44 minutes ago, soulpope said: Probably due to my weary eyes, but missingt : "Breaking New Ground" (Baystate) Lacy/Waldron "Live At Dreher Paris 1981" (hatOLOGY) Yup they are both there, on the first picture Quote
soulpope Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 27 minutes ago, Pim said: Yup they are both there, on the first picture Found the Lacy/Waldron .... but still miss (the original red) "Breaking New Ground" japanese Baystate version .... or do you have the later (white cover) Europaen edition which I simply can`t detach .... ? Quote
HutchFan Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 Pim, I am jealous of your Mal Waldron collection! That's fantastic. Isn't it so fun to completely immerse yourself in an artist's work!?!?! Also, I really hope you do the blog thing and describe your impressions of each recording! I have about 50 Waldron recordings. Nothing to sneeze at -- but I'm sure I'm missing some great stuff. So I'd love to hear/read your impressions. One question: Since I have none of them, which of Waldron's Tutu recording do you like best?  Quote
soulpope Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 @Pim : Obviously following question ist up tp the fore : Which 5 of these you would take to the so called "desert island" .... ? No long decision making pls, just straight from the heart ... Quote
Pim Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) @soulpope Yeah I’ve got the version on Eastwind with the white cover. Not the best version I guess so I’ll probably replace it with a Japanese one in the future. 5 albums, boy that is difficult, 10 would be easier haha! I’ll take this I guess 1. Reminiscent Suite 2. Black Glory 3. One Upmanship 4. Number Nineteen 5. At The Bimhuis 1982 with Steve Lacy @Hutchfan The Tutu’s are all great but my favorites are - Mal, Verve, Black & Blue - From Dark Into the Light Both steaming live sessions with the great but underrated Nicolas Simion. Jim Pepper (who’s on most of the other Tutu’s) is great but Simion has my preference. And thanks for the kind words. Bit busy nowadays but hope I could start soon with that blog!  Will post the link here of course. BTW: I see I have forgot to include Spanish Bitch on the pictures. That one is framed on my wall  Edited October 8, 2020 by Pim Quote
soulpope Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pim said: @soulpope Yeah I’ve got the version on Eastwind with the white cover. Not the best version I guess so I’ll probably replace it with a Japanese one in the future. 5 albums, boy that is difficult, 10 would be easier haha! I’ll take this I guess 1. Reminiscent Suite 2. Black Glory 3. One Upmanship 4. Number Nineteen 5. At The Bimhuis 1982 with Steve Lacy  Good Choices indeed .... I would go with (at least today) :  Mal Waldron Plays The Blues Free At Last Number Nineteen Waldron/Lacy Dreher Paris 1981 One More Time  Quote
Pim Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, soulpope said: Good Choices indeed .... I would go with (at least today) :  Mal Waldron Plays The Blues Free At Last Number Nineteen Waldron/Lacy Dreher Paris 1981 One More Time  I could definitely survive with those! Quote
soulpope Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 Just now, Pim said: I could definitely survive with those! .... Quote
HutchFan Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 I'll play too! ... My five favorite MW records (at this moment): - Black Glory (Enja) - One Upmanship (Enja) - What It Is (Enja) - Songs of Love & Regret (Free Lance) - with Marion Brown - One More Time (Sketch) - with Jean-Jacques Avenel & Steve Lacy  Lots of overlap on our lists! You guys have good taste!  Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 58 minutes ago, Pim said: 1. Reminiscent Suite If I might ask, where/how did you find a copy of Reminiscent Suite?? I've been trying to find a copy for eons, and I've never seen one go for anything less than ~$80, iirc. -- and more often than not, more than $100. If there was ONE Mal date I'd like to have on CD, it'd be that one!! -- Mal & Terumasa!! Quote
Pim Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: If I might ask, where/how did you find a copy of Reminiscent Suite?? I've been trying to find a copy for eons, and I've never seen one go for anything less than ~$80, iirc. -- and more often than not, more than $100. If there was ONE Mal date I'd like to have on CD, it'd be that one!! -- Mal & Terumasa!! Well that’s what I have paid for it.... I thinks it was about 90 dollars including shipment. I usually never spend those kind of amounts on cds or vinyl but this was one I had to have. I don’t think it’s obtainable for less... and with Mal I have paid those kind of prices more than once as most of his music is quite hard to get. Oh yeah a great SHM or UHQCD reissue would be much appreciated! Edited October 8, 2020 by Pim Quote
soulpope Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pim said: Well that’s what I have paid for it.... I thinks it was about 90 dollars including shipment. I usually never spend those kind of amounts on cds or vinyl but this was one I had to have. I don’t think it’s obtainable for less... and with Mal I have paid those kind of prices more than once as most of his music is quite hard to get. Oh yeah a great SHM or UHQCD reissue would be much appreciated! Asking prices were high for quite some time .... even when i bought my copy a decade ago .... Quote
Niko Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 have been a big fan of Nicolas Simion, ever since I saw him in one out of five surprise bands in a "wildcard" concert 25 years ago... he really is underrated... one stupid question, asking as a Barney Wilen collector: are those two Waldron/Wilen albums identical or are there really two albums? Quote
Rabshakeh Posted October 8, 2020 Report Posted October 8, 2020 On 06/09/2020 at 0:50 PM, Pim said: Yeah I did it! With buying Embryo's For Eva and Nada Jovic's Take Me In Your Arms I completed my project: I now own every single album by Waldron from 1963 till his death as a leader, co-leader and a sideman! Out of interest, and I may have missed it, but what is the reason for the 1963 start date? Quote
Pim Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 7 hours ago, Niko said: have been a big fan of Nicolas Simion, ever since I saw him in one out of five surprise bands in a "wildcard" concert 25 years ago... he really is underrated... one stupid question, asking as a Barney Wilen collector: are those two Waldron/Wilen albums identical or are there really two albums? They are actually the same. What’s so confusing is that some of the titles are different. Plus my Timeless reissue of the movie themes states 1990 as recording date and my Japanese version of the French Movie Story says 1989. It confused me that much that I’ve bought both.... 5 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: Out of interest, and I may have missed it, but what is the reason for the 1963 start date? Mal had a mental breakdown that year. It had something to do with drugs, according to himself. He was unable to play and had to relearn his skills by listening to old records by himself. After that year his playing style really changed and grew to the style he’s most known for: the dark lyricism, the repetitive and percussive play that really became his trademark.  That’s the period I am most interested in. Don’t get me wrong, some of the pre 1963 dates are really, really good (The Quest, Impressions) but in my own opinion the later Mal is more interesting. Quote
soulpope Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Pim said: They are actually the same. What’s so confusing is that some of the titles are different. Plus my Timeless reissue of the movie themes states 1990 as recording date and my Japanese version of the French Movie Story says 1989. It confused me that much that I’ve bought both.... Mal had a mental breakdown that year. It had something to do with drugs, according to himself. He was unable to play and had to relearn his skills by listening to old records by himself. After that year his playing style really changed and grew to the style he’s most known for: the dark lyricism, the repetitive and percussive play that really became his trademark.  That’s the period I am most interested in. Don’t get me wrong, some of the pre 1963 dates are really, really good (The Quest, Impressions) but in my own opinion the later Mal is more interesting. Same here .... Quote
Rabshakeh Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Pim said: Mal had a mental breakdown that year. It had something to do with drugs, according to himself. He was unable to play and had to relearn his skills by listening to old records by himself. After that year his playing style really changed and grew to the style he’s most known for: the dark lyricism, the repetitive and percussive play that really became his trademark. That’s the period I am most interested in. Don’t get me wrong, some of the pre 1963 dates are really, really good (The Quest, Impressions) but in my own opinion the later Mal is more interesting. Thanks. For some reason that hadn't occured to me. Now that I think about it he does sound really different on earlier records like At The Five Spot. Quote
Gheorghe Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pim said: They are actually the same. What’s so confusing is that some of the titles are different. Plus my Timeless reissue of the movie themes states 1990 as recording date and my Japanese version of the French Movie Story says 1989. It confused me that much that I’ve bought both.... Mal had a mental breakdown that year. It had something to do with drugs, according to himself. He was unable to play and had to relearn his skills by listening to old records by himself. After that year his playing style really changed and grew to the style he’s most known for: the dark lyricism, the repetitive and percussive play that really became his trademark.  That’s the period I am most interested in. Don’t get me wrong, some of the pre 1963 dates are really, really good (The Quest, Impressions) but in my own opinion the later Mal is more interesting. I´ve read About that mental breakdown and that he changed his stlye into a more repetitive and percussive Play (his Trademark), but one year before he recorded with Max Roach on "Speak Brother Speak" and I Always thought his playing on that is very similar to his later style. Very percussive, and repetitive phrases on his solos….. Edited October 9, 2020 by Gheorghe Quote
Pim Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 Yeah you could definitely hear it’s the same Mal. But it’s still pretty different than his layer playing. Quote
soulpope Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Rabshakeh said: Thanks. For some reason that hadn't occured to me. Now that I think about it he does sound really different on earlier records like At The Five Spot. Probably the fines hour of his "!st career" ..... Quote
Rabshakeh Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, soulpope said: Probably the fines hour of his "!st career" ..... Mal's solo on the second track - Bee Vamp - is a real favourite or mine. I think that's why it sticks in my head as the main session from that "first" career. Quote
soulpope Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Rabshakeh said: Mal's solo on the second track - Bee Vamp - is a real favourite or mine. I think that's why it sticks in my head as the main session from that "first" career. Yep .... Quote
Pim Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 21 hours ago, HutchFan said: I'll play too! ... My five favorite MW records (at this moment): - Black Glory (Enja) - One Upmanship (Enja) - What It Is (Enja) - Songs of Love & Regret (Free Lance) - with Marion Brown - One More Time (Sketch) - with Jean-Jacques Avenel & Steve Lacy  Lots of overlap on our lists! You guys have good taste!  Yeah great choices! Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 22 hours ago, Pim said: @soulpope Yeah I’ve got the version on Eastwind with the white cover. Not the best version I guess so I’ll probably replace it with a Japanese one in the future. 5 albums, boy that is difficult, 10 would be easier haha! I’ll take this I guess 1. Reminiscent Suite 2. Black Glory 3. One Upmanship 4. Number Nineteen 5. At The Bimhuis 1982 with Steve Lacy @Hutchfan The Tutu’s are all great but my favorites are - Mal, Verve, Black & Blue - From Dark Into the Light Both steaming live sessions with the great but underrated Nicolas Simion. Jim Pepper (who’s on most of the other Tutu’s) is great but Simion has my preference. And thanks for the kind words. Bit busy nowadays but hope I could start soon with that blog!  Will post the link here of course. BTW: I see I have forgot to include Spanish Bitch on the pictures. That one is framed on my wall  Mal, Verve, Black & Blue is one of my favorites as well Quote
soulpope Posted October 9, 2020 Report Posted October 9, 2020 22 hours ago, HutchFan said: I'll play too! ... My five favorite MW records (at this moment): - Black Glory (Enja) - One Upmanship (Enja) - What It Is (Enja) - Songs of Love & Regret (Free Lance) - with Marion Brown - One More Time (Sketch) - with Jean-Jacques Avenel & Steve Lacy  Lots of overlap on our lists! You guys have good taste!  Would be mighty fine on my desert island too .... On 8.10.2020 at 5:22 PM, HutchFan said: One question: Since I have none of them, which of Waldron's Tutu recording do you like best? This ain`t too shabby either .... but there numerous unrestrictedly superb Mal Waldron Trio recordings .... Quote
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