Early Blue Note CD issues...

[riverrat]

I'm curious about the first round of Blue Note CD issues.

Can anyone tell me if the first US issues- the ones with the silver and blue BN logos from the late 1980's, later reissued in the early 1990's as the "Collector's Choice" series with white and blue logos- used the same mastering as the early Japanese Blue Note CDs, i.e. ones with the CP28, CP32 prefixes? I'm talking about the CDs that predate and were superceded by the BN Works "TOCJ" series.

The early Japanese issues sometimes go for big bucks on a certain other site, but I contend that they are the same masterings as the early US issues, which in most cases sell for only a few bucks used on Amazon. I'd like to know whether or not this is true...

[AndrewHill]

I have a copy of Delightfulee issued in 1987 with the silver and blue logo, later reissued in the CC series, that does not have the prefix CP but CDP (along with a DIDX prefix right under it). Is that what you meant? I also have The Song of Singing from 1987 too with the same configuration. Both indicate that that they were transfered by Ron McMaster and there was no indication that they were remastered from Japanese sources.

[J.A.W.]

The Japanese CP32 and CP28 Blue Note reissues use the same transfers/masterings as the early American CD reissues.

[riverrat]

Thanks Hans!

holyghost, I was pretty sure that the US versions didn't use Japanese remasters. What I was curious about was whether the first Japan issues were separate remasters or just used the US versions.

Hans seems to have straightened this out- sounds as if there were different catalog numbers but the first US and Japan CD issues used identical remasterings. Thus it would be silly to pay $30-40 for a Japan version (as I had suspected) unless there is some huge difference due to manufacturing standards, which I doubt...

[AndrewHill]

Yeah, after JAW answered I realized I misunderstood the question!

[J.A.W.]

You're welcome.

Six Blue Notes were issued in the early CP35 series (which preceded the CP32 and CP28 series) and according to posters on the Hoffman forum those seem to have unique masterings.

Edited December 4, 2009 by J.A.W.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

http://wiki.livedoor.jp/recordame/

[brownie]

Six Blue Notes were issued in the early CP35 series (which preceded the CP32 and CP28 series) and according to posters on the Hoffman forum those seem to have unique masterings.

CP32 I have several of those.

CP35 I don't. Any list available of those six BN CP35?

[bakeostrin]

Six Blue Notes were issued in the early CP35 series (which preceded the CP32 and CP28 series) and according to posters on the Hoffman forum those seem to have unique masterings.

CP32 I have several of those.

CP35 I don't. Any list available of those six BN CP35?

from another forum:

CP35-3069 Morgan, Lee The Sidewinder

CP35-3070 Adderley, Cannonball Somethin' Else

CP35-3071 Hancock, Herbie Maiden Voyage

CP35-3088 Coltrane, John Blue Train

CP35-3089 Clark, Sonny Cool Struttin'

CP35-3090 Blakey, Art Moanin'

Unsure if it is accurate.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

from another forum:

CP35-3069 Morgan, Lee The Sidewinder

CP35-3070 Adderley, Cannonball Somethin' Else

CP35-3071 Hancock, Herbie Maiden Voyage

CP35-3088 Coltrane, John Blue Train

CP35-3089 Clark, Sonny Cool Struttin'

CP35-3090 Blakey, Art Moanin'

Unsure if it is accurate.

It is the same in the Ruppli/Cuscuna BN discography. No others.

MG

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

do any of these CP issued BN's have PRE-EMPHASIS?

[J.A.W.]

The CP35 CDs may have pre-emphasis (PE) - I don't remember, I sold them a long time ago.

The CP32 and CP28 CDs I had didn't have PE.

Edited December 5, 2009 by J.A.W.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

For goodness sake! What's pre-emphasis?

MG

[jazzbo]

From Wikipedia

In processing electronic audio signals, pre-emphasis refers to a system process designed to increase, within a band of frequencies, the magnitude of some (usually higher) frequencies with respect to the magnitude of other (usually lower) frequencies in order to improve the overall signal-to-noise ratio by minimizing the adverse effects of such phenomena as attenuation distortion or saturation of recording media in subsequent parts of the system. That is the mirror of the deemphasis. The whole system is called emphasis. The frequency curve is decided by special time constants. The cutoff frequency can be calculated from that value.

Pre-emphasis is commonly used in telecommunications, digital audio recording, record cutting, in FM broadcasting transmissions, and in displaying the spectrograms of speech signals.

An example of this is the RIAA equalization curve on 33 rpm and 45 rpm vinyl records.

In high speed digital transmission, pre-emphasis is used to improve signal quality at the output of a data transmission. In transmitting signals at high data rates, the transmission medium may introduce distortions, so pre-emphasis is used to distort the transmitted signal to correct for this distortion. When done properly this produces a received signal which more closely resembles the original or desired signal, allowing the use of higher frequencies or producing fewer bit errors.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

From Wikipedia

In processing electronic audio signals, pre-emphasis refers to a system process designed to increase, within a band of frequencies, the magnitude of some (usually higher) frequencies with respect to the magnitude of other (usually lower) frequencies in order to improve the overall signal-to-noise ratio by minimizing the adverse effects of such phenomena as attenuation distortion or saturation of recording media in subsequent parts of the system. That is the mirror of the deemphasis. The whole system is called emphasis. The frequency curve is decided by special time constants. The cutoff frequency can be calculated from that value.

Pre-emphasis is commonly used in telecommunications, digital audio recording, record cutting, in FM broadcasting transmissions, and in displaying the spectrograms of speech signals.

An example of this is the RIAA equalization curve on 33 rpm and 45 rpm vinyl records.

In high speed digital transmission, pre-emphasis is used to improve signal quality at the output of a data transmission. In transmitting signals at high data rates, the transmission medium may introduce distortions, so pre-emphasis is used to distort the transmitted signal to correct for this distortion. When done properly this produces a received signal which more closely resembles the original or desired signal, allowing the use of higher frequencies or producing fewer bit errors.

Wow! Never heard of it before. Not really much wiser now, but thanks Lon.

MG

[J.A.W.]

From Wikipedia

In processing electronic audio signals, pre-emphasis refers to a system process designed to increase, within a band of frequencies, the magnitude of some (usually higher) frequencies with respect to the magnitude of other (usually lower) frequencies in order to improve the overall signal-to-noise ratio by minimizing the adverse effects of such phenomena as attenuation distortion or saturation of recording media in subsequent parts of the system. That is the mirror of the deemphasis. The whole system is called emphasis. The frequency curve is decided by special time constants. The cutoff frequency can be calculated from that value.

Pre-emphasis is commonly used in telecommunications, digital audio recording, record cutting, in FM broadcasting transmissions, and in displaying the spectrograms of speech signals.

An example of this is the RIAA equalization curve on 33 rpm and 45 rpm vinyl records.

In high speed digital transmission, pre-emphasis is used to improve signal quality at the output of a data transmission. In transmitting signals at high data rates, the transmission medium may introduce distortions, so pre-emphasis is used to distort the transmitted signal to correct for this distortion. When done properly this produces a received signal which more closely resembles the original or desired signal, allowing the use of higher frequencies or producing fewer bit errors.

Wow! Never heard of it before. Not really much wiser now, but thanks Lon.

MG

Very simply put: PE-encoded CDs have boosted higher frequencies and a CD player needs a PE-decoder to be able to reproduce the music properly. If PE is not decoded during play, those CDs sound shrill and hard. Early Japanese and American CBS CDs and early Japanese EMI discs were often PE-encoded, but there were other labels too that used PE. As far as I know it isn't used anymore on CDs.

Edited December 5, 2009 by J.A.W.

[brownie]

Six Blue Notes were issued in the early CP35 series (which preceded the CP32 and CP28 series) and according to posters on the Hoffman forum those seem to have unique masterings.

CP32 I have several of those.

CP35 I don't. Any list available of those six BN CP35?

from another forum:

CP35-3069 Morgan, Lee The Sidewinder

CP35-3070 Adderley, Cannonball Somethin' Else

CP35-3071 Hancock, Herbie Maiden Voyage

CP35-3088 Coltrane, John Blue Train

CP35-3089 Clark, Sonny Cool Struttin'

CP35-3090 Blakey, Art Moanin'

Unsure if it is accurate.

Thanks for the list! I was a strict vinylist when these came out and did not bother with them!

[Shrdlu]

After Lon's information, I need a spliff, lol.

[Bluerein]

The European version of The Eye of the Beholder (Chick Corea Elektric Band) made some players to activate the pre emphasis (and thus sounded dreadful). The US pressing didn't have this problem!

Off topic I know but a curiosity I couldn't resist telling you all.........

The CJ28 series from Japan (early 1990) was a mixed bag with US and Japanese remasterings.

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

basically chewy'll break it down like-a-this:

early D/A converters in cd players sucked. they were NOISY. so the P.E. was to compenstate for that. well heres the thing, the D/A convereters got better REAL QUICKLY, but PE stuck around. i dont know the rhyme and reason to who used it and why but it did stick around much longer than necessessary. also never firgured out why they dont mark it on the cds cases or cds themselves, they should of. my late 80s sony does not decode PE. people told me it should, it does not. the 2 cds i know for sure have PE that i have are the w. german vertigo Genesis s/t and my w. german Jethro Tull Under Wraps. all you do is lower the EQ down to taste and its fine--