The Rep Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 At my local jazz club the other night I saw a guy playing a Flugelbone. It was a lovely soundand I got to wondering who in the jazz world plays one and what recordings would anyone recommend? Quote
Free For All Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Is this the same as a bass trumpet? Check out Cy Touff and current Chicago musician Ryan Shultz. Edited November 30, 2009 by Free For All Quote
Dave James Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Sure looks like a bass trumpet to me. Not sure why it would be called a Flugelbone. Wouldn't that imply some sort of slide mechanism? Quote
Free For All Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Dave James said: Wouldn't that imply some sort of slide mechanism? I think it just implies the trombone-size bore (and resultant tone quality). Although there IS a slide trumpet (see Steve Bernstein). Quote
Mark Stryker Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Free For All said: Is this the same as a bass trumpet? Check out Cy Touff and current Chicago musician Ryan Schultz. Just a quick plug for an old friend: Ryan Shultz (note the correct spelling has no 'c') is an absolute monster musician: strong chops, complete command of modern harmony, loose phrasing that's more saxophone derived than anything else and really fresh post-bop ideas. Quote
JSngry Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 What was that thing that Maynard played? Quote
Jim R Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 JSngry said: What was that thing that Maynard played? Quote
B. Clugston Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 There's some info here: http://home.att.net/~bobbeecher/trombone/trombone-p2.html "King "Flugabone". It is what you would have if you took a valve trombone and wrapped up the tubing like a flugelhorn, hence the name. Pitched in Bb and using a trombone mouthpiece, it has an 8½" bell and .500" bore...Similarly styled (and named), the "Flugelbone" made by Kanstul Music Northwest is designed for marching. It has a 9½" bell and a .509" bore." There's also a picture of Maynard Ferguson playing a Superbone on the same site. Quote
DukeCity Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Flugabone was designed for marching bands (I believe), and has a slightly larger bore than a typical valve trombone or bass trumpet. Valve trombone Bass Trumpet Flugabone Baritone Horn Euphonium Marching Baritone They're all the same length of tubing (so pitched the same), just wrapped differently, and with some variation in the bore size and shape (more cylindrical, for valve bone and bass trumpet; more conical for Flugabone and Euphonium). The instrument Maynard played is a SuperBone, which is BOTH a slide trombone, and has a set of valves, so it can be played as either instrument, or in combination. MF also played a crazy horn called the Firebird, combination of slide and valve trumpet. Quote
Free For All Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Mark Stryker said: Free For All said: Is this the same as a bass trumpet? Check out Cy Touff and current Chicago musician Ryan Schultz. Just a quick plug for an old friend: Ryan Shultz (note the correct spelling has no 'c') is an absolute monster musician: strong chops, complete command of modern harmony, loose phrasing that's more saxophone derived than anything else and really fresh post-bop ideas. My apologies, Mark- I fixed the spelling on my post. "complete command of modern harmony"- that's quite an accomplishment! Agreed that he's a monster- any recommended recordings that he's on? DukeCity said: Valve trombone Bass Trumpet Flugabone Baritone Horn Euphonium Marching Baritone I believe this was the trombone section in several jazz bands I've adjudicated over the years. Quote
Mark Stryker Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 (edited) Well, like a lot of great players around the country in the cracks, he's really been under-recorded. Off the top, I'd suggest projects led by Chicago drummer Damon Short. A surely out of date discography appears to be here: http://damonshort.home.comcast.net/~damonshort/shultz.htm And just to be clear, my reference to the complete command of modern harmony was not to oversell a musician who doesn't need any padding but to emphasize that Ryan is a fluent post-bopper (chromatic and modal harmony) and not tied to diatonic bebop like a Cy Touff. Edited November 30, 2009 by Mark Stryker Quote
DukeCity Posted November 30, 2009 Report Posted November 30, 2009 Free For All said: DukeCity said: Valve trombone Bass Trumpet Flugabone Baritone Horn Euphonium Marching Baritone I believe this was the trombone section in several jazz bands I've adjudicated over the years. Don't forget the bassoon and the viola player! I remember Ryan Shultz sounding great at a couple of jam sessions I did with him many moons ago. I'd love to hear some recent recordings! Quote
The Rep Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Posted December 1, 2009 Thanks for the information, I will check out Cy Touff and Ryan Shultz. I was looking at tromebone hybrids and found the "Jazzbone" here pictured but have a look here at some of the others http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...DG%26ie%3DUTF-8 Cheers Ray Quote
Mark Stryker Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) On 12/14/2014 at 3:48 AM, JSngry said: Great record, folks. A long overdue debut as a leader. Some interesting electronics on here as well as wide-open post-bop blowing. As I said previously, Ryan is an old friend, who played every band I had in college and just after in the early & mid '80s. One interesting coda: Two of the compositions on this date are by John Scott, a trumpet player and very creative composer friend who has an interesting story. He went to Grinnell with Herbie Hancock and later basically wrote "The Maze" (which isn't credited) and co-wrote "A Tribute to Someone" (which is credited). John kicked around Boston, Detroit and Chicago, before eventually going to dental school and landing in Champaign to practice, where he also continued to play and write and profoundly influence several generations of musicians. I bring all this up as a reminder that the music is filled with everyday heroes like John -- such a critical part of the ecosystem. Edited December 14, 2014 by Mark Stryker Quote
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