chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) http://www.hensteeth.com/rem.html saw this and found it discographicorically relevant/// the only thing i know about this label is they released that one Teddy Edwards 10". i have never even seen the cover or title of it. but i know its true. does anyone know more abouyt the jazz releases-- are there others? well anyways what this is, what i noticed and thought of even before i read the description, is that this label and the label scan of the REX teddy lp ive seen, look very very similar...!! SO FAR I KNOW ABOUT REX TWO (2) THINGS: -they had Teddy Edwards records -they had dirty sex not really dirty sex records Pfffst! and world pacific think theyre so out there with their sitar, lolol strum strum strum Edited November 17, 2009 by chewy Quote
sidewinder Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Damn - my secret is out "The SIDEWINDERS --male vocal with trumpet, clarinet & rhythm, Associated Cinema Studios, Hollywood, 1936. Hollywood, c. 1936. L-0328 is uncredited on all issues. (L-0326) His Barrel Is Long RACY RECORDS HS-412 -Under its correct title "She Comes Rolling Down The Mountain" *** unnumbered (L-0326) (L-0328) The Virgin Ranger HOLLYWOOD HOT SHOTS unnumbered, GOOD-HUMOR unnumbered white label, flipside has regular GOOD-HUMOR label [b/w "Piddlin' Pup" No. 691], NOVELTY RECORD unnumbered typewritten label; Allied logo on reverse single face -as Virginian Virgin PARTY TIME No. 2 (1118" Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 http://www.hensteeth.com/rem.html saw this and found it discographicorically relevant/// the only thing i know about this label is they released that one Teddy Edwards 10". i have never even seen the cover or title of it. but i know its true. does anyone know more abouyt the jazz releases-- are there others? well anyways what this is, what i noticed and thought of even before i read the description, is that this label and the label scan of the REX teddy lp ive seen, look very very similar...!! I've got a pretty nice 78rpm jazz combo on that label at home. Artist name and tracks escape me right now (obscure stuff, will check out tonight, and am not sure if it says REX or REM on the label but the label design looks just like the one under that link). As for Teddy Edwards, weren't the Roy Porter Big Band tunes (feat. Teddy Edwards) also released on that label? BTW, if you come across other REX releases, make sure you know which is which. There were "REX" and "REX of Hollywood" and they are NOT the same. Quote
brownie Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 Rex Hollywood also recorded Charles Mingus in 1949. The released sides were on the Charles Mingus Wes Coast 1945-49 Uptown CD. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 [Why is it that, every time I try to post something complicated, the effin' connection fux up? If I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have no luck at all. It's taken nearly two hours to get back in! Here we go again.] I think Rex and Rex of Hollywood might have been the same firm. Galen Gart’s ARLD for 1940-1959 only lists one Rex label in LA. It was owned by Maurice A Rapoport and changed its name to Rem in about May 1949. It had several numbering series: 100 - ? (had reached 128 by 4/1949) 501 - ? (dates from 1945) 23000 - ? (had reached 23005 by 5/1949) 25000 - ? (had reached 25059 by 4/1949) 26000 - ? (had reached 26027 by 1947) 28000 - ? (had reached 28016 by 4/1949) 29000 - ? (had reached 29000 by 4/1949) It wouldn't surprise me if one or more of these series included the words “of Hollywood” on the label. Rapoport also owned the Metro label, which also had a 23000 series which had reached 23005 by 4/1948. Gart doesn't list any numbering series for Rem. MG Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 17, 2009 Report Posted November 17, 2009 OK, getting back to my earlier post, here's what I have among my 78s: REX 26027: Hunter's Dream (subtitled "Dedicated to Hunter Hancock's HArlem Holiday Show") / Eastside Bop by the Johnny Barbera Quintette. Obscure enough? Quite nice bebop combo sounds. Quote
jazztrain Posted November 18, 2009 Report Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) There's another Rex label that seems to have been based in New York. I have a 78 album set of Barney Bigard on Rex (RX J-9001 and -9002). http://www.hensteeth.com/rem.html saw this and found it discographicorically relevant/// the only thing i know about this label is they released that one Teddy Edwards 10". i have never even seen the cover or title of it. but i know its true. does anyone know more abouyt the jazz releases-- are there others? well anyways what this is, what i noticed and thought of even before i read the description, is that this label and the label scan of the REX teddy lp ive seen, look very very similar...!! SO FAR I KNOW ABOUT REX TWO (2) THINGS: -they had Teddy Edwards records -they had dirty sex not really dirty sex records Pfffst! and world pacific think theyre so out there with their sitar, lolol strum strum strum Edited November 18, 2009 by jazztrain Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 18, 2009 Author Report Posted November 18, 2009 wow, interesting info u guys! what i would give for an original REX teddy edwards!! god that must be rarer than the rarest blue note.... Quote
JamesAHarrod Posted November 23, 2009 Report Posted November 23, 2009 the only thing i know about this label is they released that one Teddy Edwards 10". i have never even seen the cover or title of it. but i know its true. does anyone know more abouyt the jazz releases-- are there others? If you do a google search in Billboard for "Teddy Edwards Rex Records" check the April 16, 1949 edition, page 48, for an ad for Rex Records. It gives several Teddy Edwards releases under BOP-COMBO. Many of these tracks were issued on LP on the ONYX label as Central Avenue Breakdown, Vols 1 & 2. Here is the link: http://tiny.cc/qTTbu Jim Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) WHOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! nice james harrod-- NICE! billboard really had some good stuff in it back in the day! look at all those rex records!! good job! hmmm interesting...kay starr, and its the headline...was this b4 she was on capitol? how does it search the text for REX when its just a pic n stuf and not actual computer-text??!?? weird wahts thats slogan at the bottom of the ad?!? Edited November 26, 2009 by chewy Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) OMG OMGOMGOGMGOMG I JUST FOND THE SWEETEST CROWN RECORDS AD VIA THAT BILLBOARD STUFF.... http://books.google.com/books?id=5QoEAAAAM...rds&f=false OGMOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU JAMES HARROD I LVOE YOU I LVOE OOIOLVLEOYUOUOUO okokokokok edit: ive just learned FOUR NEW THINGS ABOUT CROWN: 1: "...finest recording studios IN THE WORLD" omg this is proof a lot of crown might not of really been recorded at crown headquarters/ or LA etc etc...i always was fishy of those symphony orchestra ones, etc! lol 2. crown also sold metal record rack display cases for their crown product?! 3. ive never seen tghose "this is stereo" box sets! i really want to find one now!!!! 4. look at all those local distributors! Edited November 26, 2009 by chewy Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 26, 2009 Report Posted November 26, 2009 What you been smokin', man? Would you please hip me to what's so great about that MOR pop pap listing on Crown? Surely a lot less memorable than their R&B/jazz stuff. Guess just to keep up I'd have to start drooling now about that Crown LP of Maxwell Davis's tribute to Stan Kenton recording (see "Bright Orange" label thread somewhere else here) that I found last Saturday ... So don'tcha think it's about time to climb down from that limb again? Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Posted November 26, 2009 JESUS!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! CROWN-WEST INDIES DISTRUTION DEAL.... OMFG x 100,000,000,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://books.google.com/books?id=jyIEAAAAM...rds&f=false SO I TAKE IT BILLBORD IS THE PLACE TO GO FOR OBSCURE RECORD LABEL HISTORY INFO?? I CANT BELIEVE THERE WAS A PRINT OUTLET FOR STUFF LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! I ALWAYS THOUGHT BILLBOARD WAS AN INDUSTRY-PAT ON THE BACK DISH RAG THAT LABEL EXECS USE TO PLAY WITH THEMSELVES IN THE MCA EXCEUTUIVE WASHROOM. BOY WAS I WRONG!!!!!!!! Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 26, 2009 Report Posted November 26, 2009 You've never ever had a look at Galen Gart's "FIRST PRESSINGS" book series before, have you? Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Posted November 26, 2009 what a what now??? big beat tell me waht that is.....and be sure to look at my thread in ARTISTS Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 26, 2009 Report Posted November 26, 2009 Google is your ever-helpful friend: Examples: http://www.bookfinder.com/author/galen-gart/ http://openlibrary.org/b/OL2433205M/First_pressings Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Posted November 26, 2009 ok i still have no idea what yr talking about? so what are the boooks like? is it very detalied history of RnB labels? Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted November 27, 2009 Report Posted November 27, 2009 ok i still have no idea what yr talking about? so what are the boooks like? is it very detalied history of RnB labels? It's a month-by-month collection of the original wording of Billboard news features and articles, reviews, club overviews, etc. as well as LOTS of ad facsimile reprints of whatever Billboard wrote to cover the entire R&B field (also extending into some jazz here and there). The index shows you which artist, label etc. gets written up where and when in the book so coverage obviously depends on which (indie) label made the (U.S. national) headlines how often. Certainly not 100% comprehensive but a very, very good overview. These books have been around since the early 90s but unfortunately, it seems, have remained under the radar of many. The R&B/jump&jive/50s rock'n'roll fraternity have jumped on them but not the jazz people, it seems. Quote
JamesAHarrod Posted November 27, 2009 Report Posted November 27, 2009 ok i still have no idea what yr talking about? so what are the books like? is it very detalied history of RnB labels? Hey Chewy, As Big Beat Steve has indicated the First Pressings series ran eight or nine volumes, format 8.5" x 11" roughly, paperback, no 1940s coverage unfortunately. Published in the late 1980s and early 1990s, now OP sadly, perhaps Gart ran afoul of copyright problems with Billboard which was the source for these books. You can check copies on Amazon, Abebooks, Alibris, etc., some can be had for a reasonable price, but most are five or six times the original price. Sadly many libraries did not pick up these books when they were available. I believe that the UCLA library has most of them available, non-circulating, plus some of Gart's other books. As I recall they also have Billboard on microfilm. Too bad Google offers the issue scans at such a low resolution, hard to read, and they block printing copies. Speaking of copyright problems, you probably saw the coverage in Billboard where English Decca who had a "Rex" label lodged a lawsuit to block the use of the "Rex" name in the U.S. -- perhaps this was the basis for the name change on the label to "Rex of Hollywood" - just guessing here. Good luck in finding any Rex 78s out there! Here are some details from Lord's Jazz Discography: Benny Bailey (tp) Teddy Edwards (ts) Dudley "Duke" Brooks (p) Addison Farmer (b) Roy Porter (d) Los Angeles, July, 1947 Bird legs Rex 25056 Out of nowhere - - Roy's boy Rex 25057 Steady with Teddy - - Rexology Rex 25058 Three bass hit - - R.B.'s wig Rex 25059 Body and soul - - Herbie Harper (tb) Teddy Edwards (ts) Hampton Hawes (p) Iggy Shevak (b) Roy Porter (d) Hollywood, CA, October, 1948 Wonderful work Rex 26025 Teddy's tune - - Fairy dance Rex 26026 It's the talk of the town (hh out) - - Jay McShann's Orchestra: John Anderson (tp) Jewell Grant, Frank Sleets (as) Maxwell Davis, Buddy Floyd (ts) Floyd Turnham (bar) Jay McShann (p) Mitchell "Tiny" Webb (g) Ralph "Chuck" Hamilton (b) Jesse Sailes (d) Los Angeles, c. mid/late 1950 That's crazy Rex Hollywood 28000 Way out - - - Jay's blues (part 1) Rex Hollywood 28005 Jay's blues (part 2) - - - Charles Mingus And His 22 Piece Bebop Band (Stan Kenton's Sideman): Buddy Childers, John Anderson, Hobart Dotson, Eddie Preston (tp) Britt Woodman, Jimmy Knepper, Marty Smith (tb) poss. 1 or 2 unknown (tp) , Eric Dolphy (as,fl,cl) Art Pepper (as,cl) Herb Caro (ts,cl) William Green (ts,cl,fl) Jewel Grant (as,cl) Gene Porter (bar,cl) Russ Freeman (p) unknown (g), Red Callender (b) Roy Porter (d) Johnny Berger (perc) Charles Mingus (dir,comp) Hollywood, CA, spring 1949 The story of love (1) Rex Hollywood 28002 Inspiration (pt 1) Rex Hollywood 28014 Inspiration (pt 2) - - - Roy Porter And His Orchestra: Art Farmer, Ruben McFall, Robert Ross, Kenny Bright (tp) William Willington, Jimmy Knepper, Danny Horton (tb) Eric Dolphy, Joe Maini (as) Joe Howard, Hadley Caliman (ts) Bob Gordon (bar) Russ Freeman (p) Harold Grant (g,vcl) Addison Farmer (b) Roy Porter (d) Alvy Kidd (cga,bgo,perc) Los Angeles, spring 1949 Frantic dream Rex Hollywood 28001 Everything's cool - - - Roy Porter And His Orchestra: prob. same pers. Los Angeles, spring 1949 Don't blame me Rex Hollywood 28002 Ray Vasquez Ray Vasquez And His Be-Boppers: prob. Ray Vasquez (as) Lucky Thompson (ts) unknown (p), (b), (d) Los Angeles, c. 1947-1948 Snake den Rex 25099 Clutching hand - - Jinnie's Packard Rex 26000 Home run - - Jim Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 28, 2009 Author Report Posted November 28, 2009 (edited) hey u guys, so these books are comps of billboard stuff? hmm thats handy but if im gonna go thru all the trouble why not peruse thru the actual billboards, as i guess we can now do online....still cant blieve u can search the pdf file, thats amazing.... Edited November 28, 2009 by chewy Quote
Hoppy T. Frog Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 JESUS!!!!!!!!!! LOOK AT THIS ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!! CROWN-WEST INDIES DISTRUTION DEAL.... OMFG x 100,000,000,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://books.google.com/books?id=jyIEAAAAM...rds&f=false SO I TAKE IT BILLBORD IS THE PLACE TO GO FOR OBSCURE RECORD LABEL HISTORY INFO?? I CANT BELIEVE THERE WAS A PRINT OUTLET FOR STUFF LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! I ALWAYS THOUGHT BILLBOARD WAS AN INDUSTRY-PAT ON THE BACK DISH RAG THAT LABEL EXECS USE TO PLAY WITH THEMSELVES IN THE MCA EXCEUTUIVE WASHROOM. BOY WAS I WRONG!!!!!!!! WIRL was Chris Blackwell's first record label, before he founded Island Records and brought Bob Marley to the world. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 5, 2009 Author Report Posted December 5, 2009 hi, what is that in regards to, is WIRL mentioned in teh crown article? Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted December 5, 2009 Report Posted December 5, 2009 hi, what is that in regards to, is WIRL mentioned in teh crown article? That's what the article's about, Chewy. WIRL is West Indian Records Ltd. I didn't know Chris Blackwell was involved. I see this issue is dated 18 July 1964, so the dates confuse me. Blackwell set up Island Records in Jamaica in 1959, then moved the firm to London in 1962. Was Island originally called West Indian Records Ltd? Did Blackwell give WIRL up when he moved to London? Or was he still involved, and using that firm as a source for British Ska issues? Island was issuing Kent/Modern material in Britain on the Sue label around that time - Ike & Tina, Lowell Fulson, Little Richard, but no B B King, that I can remember. I wonder if that was part of the same deal? MG Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted December 6, 2009 Author Report Posted December 6, 2009 saw a REX item in person i think for the 1st time ever, it was only 8.99 and i didnt buy it. im losing my touch--- well anyways it had a japanese chick on the cover and it was by the 'gilbert & sullivan jazz quintet' and members included if i remember milt bernhart on trombone and i didnt recokonize anyone else. it was a strage record. it was on ANDEX, a division of Rex Productions, Los Angeles magnificnt goldberg: i had no idea island, or rather blackwells record company dealings dated back so far into the early 60s Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted December 6, 2009 Report Posted December 6, 2009 magnificnt goldberg: i had no idea island, or rather blackwells record company dealings dated back so far into the early 60s Island started off as a Ska/R&B firm - gradually got into rock through Stevie Winwood/Spencer Davis Group and Chris Farlowe (posing as "Little Joe Cook") in 1965. Licensed use of the Sue name for UK in about 1963. Juggy Murray got very pissed off when he found out that Blackwell was issuing stuff from other US indies, as well as his own product, on Sue, so he quit and did a deal with London for UK distribution. But Island still had the Sue name over here. MG Quote
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