manne-bean recording

[alocispepraluger102]

i was very pleased and surprised to hear a shelley manne-coleman hawkins duo recording from about 1962 on the radio tonight(or at least 2 cuts from it). bean played a little bit of very competent piano on the recording.

can i be enlightened more? this would seem very much to be a 'must have' recording.

hawk seem energized and stimulated by this recording and shelly was shelley.

Edited November 12, 2009 by alocispepraluger102

[Chuck Nessa]

Sounds like the Manne Impulse record "2-3-4".

[alocispepraluger102]

Sounds like the Manne Impulse record "2-3-4".

yup--that was the title.

[JSngry]

A 'must have' recording indeed!

[alocispepraluger102]

A 'must have' recording indeed!

it's my day! amazon has it as a download for $6.99.

[MartyJazz]

A 'must have' recording indeed!

it's my day! amazon has it as a download for $6.99.

The arrangement of "Cherokee" on that date, with Manne playing in double time, is a killer!

[Fer Urbina]

A 'must have' recording indeed!

it's my day! amazon has it as a download for $6.99.

The arrangement of "Cherokee" on that date, with Manne playing in double time, is a killer!

Agreed on Cherokee, don't miss the two tracks with Eddie Costa either, especially "Lean On Me", possibly my absolute favourite of Costa's recorded output.

Fernando

[clifford_thornton]

It's a really cool record. I also was turned onto it recently by our own "dumpy mama."

[JSngry]

Hopefully the download offers "Avalon", which was not included on the original LP (it was included on one of the 3 Vol impulse! samplers of the time, what were they, "The New Wave Of Jazz"?) but was includedon the CD reissue. That is a glorious performance by all concerned, es[pecially Bean.

[AllenLowe]

early '60s Hawk is a revelation - there's a famous Barry Harris quote about working with Hawkins at this time and hearing him play a chorus of "All the Things You Are," and thinking "maybe I had idolized Bird and Bud too much, because here was someone who just kept playing and changing."

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

early '60s Hawk is a revelation - there's a famous Barry Harris quote about working with Hawkins at this time and hearing him play a chorus of "All the Things You Are," and thinking "maybe I had idolized Bird and Bud too much, because here was someone who just kept playing and changing."

That was the Hawkins I got to know first and best, mainly through his Prestige recordings. So I never realised how extraordinary he was to do that.

MG

[alocispepraluger102]

thanks al and goldy for verbalizing what i've felt for years.

bean and prez are forever wrestling in my soul. one day one's on top, the next day the other. the one on top is always the one i've heard latest.

[carnivore]

I saw Hawk in London around 1965 - a quartet gig with Brian Lemon, Dave Green and Tony Crombie at Klook's Kleek in North London. Hawk played about 15 choruses on evrey number - barely gave anyone else any space....and it was unforgettable. He was frail and played like he was holding back the night. I heard most of the greats over the years but nothing compared with this.

[Man with the Golden Arm]

What a great sublime late nite kinda record!

Does Hawkins play piano on any other albums?

[MartyJazz]

early '60s Hawk is a revelation - there's a famous Barry Harris quote about working with Hawkins at this time and hearing him play a chorus of "All the Things You Are," and thinking "maybe I had idolized Bird and Bud too much, because here was someone who just kept playing and changing."

Indeed, in my teenage years I first became aware of Hawk when I picked up a copy of the Moodsville LP, MAKE SOMEONE HAPPY, and was totally knocked out not only by his huge sound, but by very cooking renditions of some obscure tunes, e.g., "Cry Like the Wind", "Out of My Dreams", etc. Thankfully, that material along with other show tunes Hawk recorded that same year ('62) has been re-issued on the Prestige CD ON BROADWAY. Tommy Flanagan on piano throughout. Well worth picking up.

[paul secor]

Guess I'll end up playing the role of the spoiler here. 2-3-4 comes across to me as a bunch of recordings that the producer cobbled together to make up an album. And much of Shelly Manne's playing comes across to me as contrived.

I've kept it for some snippets of Hawk on tenor, Duvivier, and the novelty of Hawk playing piano.

[Shrdlu]

Hopefully the download offers "Avalon", which was not included on the original LP (it was included on one of the 3 Vol impulse! samplers of the time, what were they, "The New Wave Of Jazz"?) but was includedon the CD reissue. That is a glorious performance by all concerned, es[pecially Bean.

The Album was "The Definitive Jazz Scene" - can't be assed to check which one. There are three of those LPs and I have them all.

[JSngry]

That's the name! It was on Vol 1, which also housed the Hawk/Duke "Solitude" & Ben's "Single Petal Of A Rose", as well as Trane's "Big Nick" & Mingus' "Freedom" w/that great Booker Ervin solo.

Quite a tenor feast, especially for an album of "leftovers"!

[Shrdlu]

Yes, they are outstanding albums. By no means out-takes; they were just tracks that didn't fit onto the original albums.

The usual suspect included most of them on the CD reissues.

[fomafomic65]

i was very pleased and surprised to hear a shelley manne-coleman hawkins duo recording from about 1962 on the radio tonight(or at least 2 cuts from it). bean played a little bit of very competent piano on the recording.

can i be enlightened more? this would seem very much to be a 'must have' recording.

hawk seem energized and stimulated by this recording and shelly was shelley.

early '60s Hawk is a revelation - there's a famous Barry Harris quote about working with Hawkins at this time and hearing him play a chorus of "All the Things You Are," and thinking "maybe I had idolized Bird and Bud too much, because here was someone who just kept playing and changing."

If you are amazed and intrigued like I am by Hawkins' magical music in the '60, I warmly reccomend you his masterpiece performances in Sonny Rollins' RCA 'Sonny Meetrs Hawk' and in Max Roach's Candid 'We Insist! Freedom Now Suite'.

His playing in the 'modern' jazz music of the time, with some of the greatest players -like Rollins with Bley, max Roach, Shelly manne with their groups- was really not recognized enough, in my humble opinion.

[MartyJazz]

If you are amazed and intrigued like I am by Hawkins' magical music in the '60, I warmly reccomend you his masterpiece performances in Sonny Rollins' RCA 'Sonny Meets Hawk' and in Max Roach's Candid 'We Insist! Freedom Now Suite'.

His playing in the 'modern' jazz music of the time, with some of the greatest players -like Rollins with Bley, max Roach, Shelly manne with their groups- was really not recognized enough, in my humble opinion.

I have a CD-R of the '63 Newport JF set where Hawk joins Rollins' group on "All the Things You Are" and "The Way You Look Tonight". The resulting performance is superior to the RCA studio date recorded a couple of weeks later, IMO, (despite the wonderful version of "Just Friends" from that LP).