Quincy Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Brad, Where did you hear this was a done? I've rounded up all the usual suspects and checked the Freep and the Detroit News but all anyone is saying is that the three teams involved are getting close to a deal. I don't like the Yankees giving up their #1 prospect or Phil Coke, but it's pretty clear what Granderson can do at the major league level, and he's only 28, so that's tempering my concern. I'm not enthused about this deal at all. I thought Coke was it, and Jackson never got a chance to show what he can do on the major league level. Grandrson is not very impressive as a player: Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB Pos Awards 2009 28 DET AL 160 710 631 91 157 23 8 30 71 20 6 72 141 .249 .327 .453 .780 100 286 1 2 3 2 4 *8 AS For a guy with some pop his slugging % is not all that good, his OBP is lousy. I guess we can hope he gets better... Why are you just looking at last year's stats? His OBP was just dandy in 2007 & 2008. In 2007 he was one of 4 players in baseball history who had over 20 doubles, triples, homers & stolen bases in a season. He was also 10th in MVP balloting that year. Last year he was killed by LHP and it is a weakness in his game, but with Jeter, Teix, ARod this isn't much of a problem for the Yankees. It's also been noted that thanks to trades there aren't very many lefty pitchers in the division that he'll have to face (pretty much just Lester.) He's a big bump in all around play at CF for you and he's a good person too. As I've pretty much plagiarized Posnaski's take, I'll rip off one more thought that he's been hurt by Comerica and now he's playing half his games at Yankee Stadium. I think given what was available for CF you done good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Looks like Jason Bay is going any where but Boston, turning down 60 million over four years. Don't think he's worth that much money myself, overrated in my book, but whatever. Boston might not have too good of a team next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Berigan, what's your take on Rafael Soriano? He's got to be an upgrade as closer for the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 HOLY CRAP!! THE PHILLES JUST TRADED CLIFF LEE TO THE M'S AND GOT HALLADAY IN RETURN. Don't like it but if Lee was determined to test the FA waters after next season I guess it had to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 HOLY CRAP!! THE PHILLES JUST TRADED CLIFF LEE TO THE M'S AND GOT HALLADAY IN RETURN. Don't like it but if Lee was determined to test the FA waters after next season I guess it had to be done. Yeah, and the Red Sox just signed John Lackey to a five-year deal. Wow! Gonna be tough for NY to deal with Boston's starting rotation, that's for sure...and Matthew will surely be psyched about the Cliff Lee pick-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost of miles Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Via Pinstripe Alley, also this report: Matsui close to deal with Angels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Berigan, what's your take on Rafael Soriano? He's got to be an upgrade as closer for the Rays. Well, as usual, our GM figured on getting a ton of 1st round picks, and was wrong. Not all of his fault of course.... Rays got a very good closer(His fastball is a bit straight and will go through a 1-2 week period each year of giving up homers) for next to nothing. Braves refuse to pay a nickel of anyone's contract...too good for it. So they get next to nothing for one of the better closers. Your team will be much better because of him! Just don't expect him to be chatty. Our beat writer was a bit afraid of him in fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BERIGAN Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) HOLY CRAP!! THE PHILLES JUST TRADED CLIFF LEE TO THE M'S AND GOT HALLADAY IN RETURN. Don't like it but if Lee was determined to test the FA waters after next season I guess it had to be done. Hope Johnny , Quincy, and all the other Mariners fans here have taken their heart meds! They are the team to beat, it looks like! Can't believe how much the Angels have screwed up this off season. Losing Figgins, now Lackey. What is their thinking, if they have any thinking???? Might work out for the Braves though. Wren overpaid for Lowe last year, and has 3 years left on his contract, (15 Mil a year) 4.67 ERA last year. and is or will be 37. But, the Angels are in a fix for a starter of some stature. Now someone else will get stuck with our mistake! Edited December 14, 2009 by BERIGAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 HOLY CRAP!! THE PHILLES JUST TRADED CLIFF LEE TO THE M'S AND GOT HALLADAY IN RETURN. Don't like it but if Lee was determined to test the FA waters after next season I guess it had to be done. Yeah, and the Red Sox just signed John Lackey to a five-year deal. Wow! Gonna be tough for NY to deal with Boston's starting rotation, that's for sure...and Matthew will surely be psyched about the Cliff Lee pick-up. King Felix and Lee is just a sick 1-2 combo. I wonder if the M's will step up and keep Lee from going to the Yanks? Just once I wish the Phillies would open the vaults and pull a Steinbrenner. Could you imagine Lee AND Halladay in red pinstripes??? Oh my.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Jeez, that's unbelievable and there those dunces in Citifield just sit with their hands up their your you-know-what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny E Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Holy Crap! I love this deal. Felix and Lee # 1 & 2??? M's are the favs right now and they haven't even sign Jason Bay yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 You have to love a team that has a plan and then executes upon it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 HOLY CRAP!! THE PHILLES JUST TRADED CLIFF LEE TO THE M'S AND GOT HALLADAY IN RETURN. Don't like it but if Lee was determined to test the FA waters after next season I guess it had to be done. Hope Johnny , Quincy, and all the other Mariners fans here have taken their heart meds! They are the team to beat, it looks like! Can't believe how much the Angels have screwed up this off season. Losing Figgins, now Lackey. What is their thinking, if they have any thinking???? I still haven't wrapped my head around it. It's one thing to improve the M's, but the way the Angels keep shedding players in the process...whew-ee. However I'm paranoid enough about how well the Angels are run that I feel like I need to sit down and look over who they have left, who could be coming up from the minors and who they could yet sign or trade for. I'm very happy though to get Lee, as I was Figgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Lee and Felix at the top of the rotation, with a (hopefully) improved Morrow as the three starter -- that could be a killer staff. Just wondering what the Mariners gave up (Phillippe Aumont?), and if there is any kind of agreement with Lee for after the 2010 season. Still, the Angels look weaker, so the Mariners might have a legit shot this time. Of course, everyone was excited about the 2008 season, and look how that wound up, but still, major props to the Mariners on this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papsrus Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Berigan, what's your take on Rafael Soriano? He's got to be an upgrade as closer for the Rays. Well, as usual, our GM figured on getting a ton of 1st round picks, and was wrong. Not all of his fault of course.... Rays got a very good closer(His fastball is a bit straight and will go through a 1-2 week period each year of giving up homers) for next to nothing. Braves refuse to pay a nickel of anyone's contract...too good for it. So they get next to nothing for one of the better closers. Your team will be much better because of him! Just don't expect him to be chatty. Our beat writer was a bit afraid of him in fact! Thanks. And sorry 'bout stealing him from you, but Rays were in desperate need there. Don't mind so much if he isn't too chatty as long as he can get three outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 The New York Times is confirming that World Series MVP Hideki Matusi has signed with the Angels. Boy will it be weird to see him in that uniform. I don't think he'll look good in red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I'll miss seeing Matsui in pinstripes, but I wish him well. He can still swing the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) Not to rain on the Mariner's parade, but Tim Kirkjian at ESPN says he is unable to confirm that Cliff Lee is on his way to Seattle. He's wondering why the Phillies would move him when they have him locked up at a bargain basement price for another year. Needless to say where there's smoke, there's usually fire, but this doesn't appear to be a done deal. Edited December 15, 2009 by Dave James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) Not to rain on the Mariner's parade, but Tim Kirkjian at ESPN says he is unable to confirm that Cliff Lee is on his way to Seattle. He's wondering why the Phillies would move him when they have him locked up at a bargain basement price for another year. Needless to say where there's smoke, there's usually fire, but this doesn't appear to be a done deal. It's not a done deal yet, and there's a posibility that the M's may include Morrow as part of the deal. If it goes through I think it makes the Phillies better, but not by a lot. If they had kept Lee and traded for Halliday that's great 1-2 punch. Sad to see Matsui go, he can still hit and he always was a class act all the way. Edited December 15, 2009 by PHILLYQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Not to rain on the Mariner's parade, but Tim Kirkjian at ESPN says he is unable to confirm that Cliff Lee is on his way to Seattle. He's wondering why the Phillies would move him when they have him locked up at a bargain basement price for another year. Needless to say where there's smoke, there's usually fire, but this doesn't appear to be a done deal. It's not a done deal yet, and there's a posibility that the M's may include Morrow as part of the deal. If it goes through I think it makes the Phillies better, but not by a lot. If they had kept Lee and traded for Halliday that's great 1-2 punch. Sad to see Matsui go, he can still hit and he always was a class act all the way. Philly Inky is now reporting that Happ, Blanton, prized prospect Dominic Brown took Physicals today. Lee did not take a physical nor has his agent been contacted by anyone but the press. It maybe a two team trade after all. Stay tuned..... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20091214_ap_royhalladayinphiladelphiaforaphysical.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Philly Inky is now reporting that Happ, Blanton, prized prospect Dominic Brown took Physicals today. Lee did not take a physical nor has his agent been contacted by anyone but the press. It maybe a two team trade after all. Stay tuned..... http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20091214_ap_royhalladayinphiladelphiaforaphysical.html Hey, I'd be just as thrilled to have Happ on the M's. The Phils have some terrific lefties, so here's hoping we get one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Philly Inky is now reporting that Happ, Blanton, prized prospect Dominic Brown took Physicals today. Lee did not take a physical nor has his agent been contacted by anyone but the press. It maybe a two team trade after all. Stay tuned..... http://www.philly.co...raphysical.html Hey, I'd be just as thrilled to have Happ on the M's. The Phils have some terrific lefties, so here's hoping we get one of them. I have a feeling if this deal isn't done today, it's over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 The latest is that Halladay and the Phillies have agreed to a contract extension, so it looks like it's on -- I hope the the Mariners can ink Lee to a contract also, but I have my doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 looks like it's a done deal.... http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4744730 Man, I'm really bummed they gave up Lee. Too much IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalupa Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Seattle should change its name from the Mariners to the Thieves b/c they just STOLE Cliff Lee from the Phils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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