Horo releases coming out on CD in November

[jostber]

Here is the link to Sun Ra's "New Steps", coming out in 9 days:

http://www.amazon.com/New-Steps-Sun-Ra/dp/...9348&sr=1-5

[Joe Bip]

$19.98? Ridiculous. Buy.com has it for $13.99. A little too soon to tell what DustyGroove's price will be.

Edit: While I was posting on the subject of Sun Ra, I thought I'd mention info about the new releases from Norton but now I see jostber has already posted about them in the Sun Ra Corner.

Edited November 8, 2009 by Joe Bip

[king ubu]

So the label is 101 Distribution?

Anyone knows anything about them?

Google brings up a couple of hits but they fail to load:

http://101d.com/

http://www.101distribution.com/

[jazzbo]

Seems more like an importer/distributor than a label per se? They handle a lot of European bootlegs, among other things. Doesn't bode well for the legitimacy of these releases.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_...;qid=1257782632

[king ubu]

That's what I was afraid of...

[RDK]

I suppose it will all depend on whether these are needle drops or from the master tapes.

[mjzee]

They appear to be the original Horo covers. The Andorrans generally don't do that.

[peterintoronto]

$19.98? Ridiculous. Buy.com has it for $13.99. A little too soon to tell what DustyGroove's price will be.

If I can get these first six for $120 (including free shipping), I'm a happy camper. I've never heard any of these sessions, and $120 wouldn't even buy me two of the LPs.

I guess I'm just resigned to paying a premium for my niche lifestyle.

[Niko]

sound samples and possibly some more information here:

http://www.honestjons.com/shop.php?LabelID=17094

those shepps sound gorgeous...

Edited November 10, 2009 by Niko

[jazzbo]

They appear to be the original Horo covers. The Andorrans generally don't do that.

Jazz Beat does (e.g. Naked City Theme, A Drum is a Woman)

[king ubu]

JazzBeat, JazzTrack... there are some others, too. Lonehill and Gambit often do as well.

Fresh Sound and Definitive rarely included original covers, though.

[Niko]

more info from here:

http://dearbornmusic.com/cart/jazz/shepp-a...prod_27242.html

seems these reissues are not one LP per CD

Shepp, Archie - Mariamar

1 MARIAMAR 13:41

2 TRES IDÉIAS 7:36

3 THE MAGIC 10:03

4 SHEPP’S MOOD 8:22

5 BODY AND SOUL 8:31

6 TROPICAL 8:56

Total time: 57:09

ARCHIE SHEPP, tenor & soprano sax

CHARLES GREENLEE, trombone

CICCI SANTUCCI, trumpet

IRIO DE PAULA, guitar

ALESSIO URSO, bass

AFONSO VIEIRA, drums

Rome, Italy, October 16 (tracks 1-5) &

September 28 (track 6), 1975.

This set consists of Archie Shepp’s complete session accompanied by

a mixture of Brazilian and Italian musicians plus trombonist Charles

Greenlee, recorded in Rome, Italy, on October 16, 1975. It is issued here

for the first time ever on CD! This was the second out of three sessions

recorded by Shepp for the Italian label Horo, which were subsequently

issued on the albums Jazz a Confronto #27, Body and Soul, Mariamar

and The Tradition. While the first three albums contained the results of

two sessions (those of September 28, 1975 and of October 16, 1975),

The Tradition included a single Rome session taped on October 12, 1977.

The session of October 16, 1975, included here in its entirety, produced

five titles (tracks 1-5 of our CD), which originally appeared on the albums

Mariamar (“Mariamar”, “Tres Idéias”, “The Magic” and “Shepp’s Mood”)

and Body and Soul (“Body and Soul”). The latter album also included

“Dogon”, by Shepp and his American group, recorded on September 28,

1975 (the three titles produced by the group on this date can be found

on our companion volume Lybia (Atomic Records 76811), and “Tropical”,

the fourth title taped that day. As “Tropical” was performed by the exact

same formation as the October 16 session, we have included it here at

the end of this CD for the sake of continuity.

__________________________________________

Shepp, Archie - Lybia

11/09/09

1. LYBIA 21:20

2. MY HEART CRIES OUT TO AFRICA 19:03

3. DOGON 18:45

Total time: 59:08

ARCHIE SHEPP, tenor & soprano sax

CHARLES GREENLEE, trombone

DAVE BURRELL, piano

DAVID WILLIAMS, bass

BEAVER HARRIS, drums

Rome, Italy, September 28, 1975.

This set consists of Archie Shepp’s complete session with his American

group recorded in Rome, Italy, on September 28, 1975, and issued

here on CD for the first time ever. This was the first of three sessions

recorded by Shepp for the Italian label Horo, which were subsequently

issued on the albums Jazz a Confronto #27, Body and Soul, Mariamar

and The Tradition. While the first three albums contained the results

of two sessions (those of September 28, 1975 and of

October 16, 1975), The Tradition included a single Rome session

taped on October 12, 1977. The session of September 28, 1975

yielded four titles, three by Shepp with his American group (included

here), which were originally released on Jazz a Confronto #27 (“Lybia”

and “My Heart Cries Out to Africa”) and Body and Soul (“Dogon”).

The fourth title from that session,

“Tropical”, featured Shepp with

a mixture of Brazilian and Italian

musicians plus trombonist

Charles Greenlee. As this group

would record the complete

October 16, 1975 session,

“Tropical” has been included with

that date on our companion

volume Mariamar (Atomic

Records 76810

[king ubu]

Shepp on Horo:

Body and Soul

Cicci Santucci (tp) Charles Greenlee (tb) Archie Shepp (ts) Irio de Paula (g) Alessio Urso (b) Afonso Vieira (d)

Rome, September 28, 1975

Tropical (1) Horo (It)HZ10, (Jap)RVJ-6076

Note : See following sessions for rest of the above issues.

Jazz a Confronto No. 27

Charles Greenlee (tb) Archie Shepp (ts,sop) Dave Burrell (p) David Williams (b) Beaver Harris (d)

Rome, September 28, 1975

Lybia Horo (It)HLL101-27, (Jap)RVJ-6048

My heart cries out to Africa - , -

Dogon (It)HZ10, (Jap)RVJ-6076

Mariamar

Cicci Santucci (tp) Charles Greenlee (tb) Archie Shepp (ts,sop,p) Irio de Paula (g) Alessio Urso (b) Afonso Vieira (d)

Rome, October 16, 1975

Mariamar Horo (It)HZ01

Tres ideias -

The magic -

Shepp's mood -

Body and soul (cs,cg out) (It)HZ10, (Jap)RVJ-6076

Note : All titles from Horo (It)HZ01 also on Horo (It)CP12024.

The Tradition

Archie Shepp (ts,sop,p) Cameron Brown (b) Clifford Jarvis (d)

Rome, October 12, 1777

Hooray for Mal Horo (It)HDP13/14

Sophisticated lady -

Things have got to change -

I didn't know about you -

Note : Entire session also on Horo (Jap)RVJ-9001/2.

[JETman]

I'm afraid that these ARE boots. They have the same exact "First time on CD" sticker that appears on a variety of other Andorran (Lone Hill, Gambit, RLR, etc.) releases.

[Stefan Wood]

I hope these issue are legit and related to what's below. Back in February, I did an entry about Horo on my blog and got the following comment:

I was assistant producer at HORO Records for several years, when I was in my teens. Aldo Sinesio, the producer, is on the verge of reissuing most of the HORO catalogue on CD, and I will produce the reissues. Lonehill Records has just ripped off a Teddy Wilson record from HORO, so, in order to avoid other "fakes" (the guys at Lonehill have just copied an LP), the catalogue wll be reissued almost in its entirety. Within May/June a series of recordings live by Freddie Hubbard, and an unissued recording, by pianist Dave Burrell and legendary drummer Sam Woodyard, will be out. I think you're the first person to get the news...

Cordially yours, Gianni Morelenbaum Gualberto

Of course, we're considerably beyond May/June at this point, but I hope this is the beginning of the reissue program Gianni was talking about.

Again, we have to refer to this quote -- are they boots? Don't know yet.

[JETman]

I hope these issue are legit and related to what's below. Back in February, I did an entry about Horo on my blog and got the following comment:

I was assistant producer at HORO Records for several years, when I was in my teens. Aldo Sinesio, the producer, is on the verge of reissuing most of the HORO catalogue on CD, and I will produce the reissues. Lonehill Records has just ripped off a Teddy Wilson record from HORO, so, in order to avoid other "fakes" (the guys at Lonehill have just copied an LP), the catalogue wll be reissued almost in its entirety. Within May/June a series of recordings live by Freddie Hubbard, and an unissued recording, by pianist Dave Burrell and legendary drummer Sam Woodyard, will be out. I think you're the first person to get the news...

Cordially yours, Gianni Morelenbaum Gualberto

Of course, we're considerably beyond May/June at this point, but I hope this is the beginning of the reissue program Gianni was talking about.

Again, we have to refer to this quote -- are they boots? Don't know yet.

If you read my last post, I say that they are.

[Stefan Wood]

Not proof based on a sticker. Did you buy them?

[JETman]

Not proof based on a sticker. Did you buy them?

How would I know about the stickers if I didn't buy them? When I say EXACT same stickers, I mean EXACT same stickers. Also the liners were written by someone with a name I recognize (probably a pseudonym) from any of the other Andorran bootlegs' liner notes. I am 99.999999999999999999999% certain these are boots.

[felser]

Not proof based on a sticker. Did you buy them?

How would I know about the stickers if I didn't buy them? When I say EXACT same stickers, I mean EXACT same stickers. Also the liners were written by someone with a name I recognize (probably a pseudonym) from any of the other Andorran bootlegs' liner notes. I am 99.999999999999999999999% certain these are boots.

Do they sound like needle-drops or from master tapes?

[JETman]

Not proof based on a sticker. Did you buy them?

How would I know about the stickers if I didn't buy them? When I say EXACT same stickers, I mean EXACT same stickers. Also the liners were written by someone with a name I recognize (probably a pseudonym) from any of the other Andorran bootlegs' liner notes. I am 99.999999999999999999999% certain these are boots.

Do they sound like needle-drops or from master tapes?

They sound like needledrops. All signs point toward bootleg. If you guys doubt my observations, why don't you pick one up and see for yourself.

I'm no shrink, but it sounds like there could be a little bit of denial going on here. I was just trying to be helpful, and save the moral majority some trouble and some bucks.

[JETman]

Ask Chuck how difficult it is to start a reissue program legitimately in today's economic climate.

The owners of Horo may mean well with their intentions, but does anyone really believe they are going to release their entire catalogue on cd?

[blajay]

I hope these issue are legit and related to what's below. Back in February, I did an entry about Horo on my blog and got the following comment:

I was assistant producer at HORO Records for several years, when I was in my teens. Aldo Sinesio, the producer, is on the verge of reissuing most of the HORO catalogue on CD, and I will produce the reissues. Lonehill Records has just ripped off a Teddy Wilson record from HORO, so, in order to avoid other "fakes" (the guys at Lonehill have just copied an LP), the catalogue wll be reissued almost in its entirety. Within May/June a series of recordings live by Freddie Hubbard, and an unissued recording, by pianist Dave Burrell and legendary drummer Sam Woodyard, will be out. I think you're the first person to get the news...

Cordially yours, Gianni Morelenbaum Gualberto

Of course, we're considerably beyond May/June at this point, but I hope this is the beginning of the reissue program Gianni was talking about.

Again, we have to refer to this quote -- are they boots? Don't know yet.

Maybe Sinesio's reissues are still in the works, and these are just the "fakes" to which he refers.

[jazzbo]

Yes, maybe they saw the post annonuncing Horo's intentions (which mentioned that Lonehill had already "ripped off" the Teddy Wilson and Horo was trying to get ahead of the bootleggers) and decided to make an effort to get their boots out first.

It's quite an interesting world we're in and as collectors we're going to face interesting situations. We're not normal people with normal needs.

[David Ayers]

FWIW I never got a reply to my mail to what purports to be the Horo website.

[JETman]

FWIW I never got a reply to my mail to what purports to be the Horo website.

Aha. The plot thickens