JSngry Posted October 26, 2009 Report Posted October 26, 2009 Was that the "Mike F" who used to post here? That's a little bit surprising. Or maybe just depressing. No. This is the Mike Fitzgerald in question: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showuser=101
AllenLowe Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Posted October 26, 2009 but seriously, I'm feeling better now because: 1) I'm not the only one to whom this has happened 2) almost no one has taken his opportunity to kick me while I'm down or (though they're probably thinking it) tell me, in essence, that the chicken's have come home to roost - I feel so virtuous.
AllenLowe Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Posted October 26, 2009 just to add; in all fairness, Mike Fitzgerald has done, and continues to do, some very important discographical work. He even cites me in his Bill Triglia discography (though we'll see how long it is before he erases me from his web site).
AllenLowe Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) all right, than - "I'm watching you, Lowe" Edited October 26, 2009 by AllenLowe
Chuck Nessa Posted October 26, 2009 Report Posted October 26, 2009 My response was to your "virtuous" claim.
AllenLowe Posted October 26, 2009 Author Report Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) ah....for a minute I thought this was some kind of free jazz pogrom. but I am a guy of easy virtue. Edited October 26, 2009 by AllenLowe
Chuck Nessa Posted October 26, 2009 Report Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) Nah, you wouldn't get that. Allen, please stop editing you posts. Type and stand by it. Edited October 27, 2009 by Chuck Nessa
Jazzmoose Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 the 78 list tossed me when I objected to their weird "white guys invented jazz" thing. Sounds like being banned from that place would be an honor, not a problem. Personally, I always thought Mike Fitzgerald was a nice guy, but I'll admit that running a jazz board seems to give some people an odd personality twist. I mean, Mike Ricci, and Lois at whatever that jazz board was are probably nice as well, but some of their board rules make their sites intolerable to me. And don't get me started on that Jim Alfredson character...
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Posted October 27, 2009 yes, but he's unusually handsome -
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) sorry Chuck - we seem to be crossing our lines a bit - this is starting to sound like "who's on first?" Edited October 27, 2009 by AllenLowe
BruceH Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 Was that the "Mike F" who used to post here? That's a little bit surprising. Or maybe just depressing. No. This is the Mike Fitzgerald in question: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showuser=101 Actually, that's the one I was thinking of; I just shortened the name.
Teasing the Korean Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 I was booted off AAJ years ago for reasons that are still unclear to me. I asked owner Ricci why but didn't get an answer. Oh well... Consider it a compliment to your knowledge and taste. I kicked myself off of that site ages ago.
7/4 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 I was booted off AAJ years ago for reasons that are still unclear to me. I asked owner Ricci why but didn't get an answer. Oh well... Consider it a compliment to your knowledge and taste. I kicked myself off of that site ages ago. I just look at the musician's forums, nothing else has much zing over there.
papsrus Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 I like to ban the internet group before they ban me, which is kinda what it sounds like Allen did.
Christiern Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 I must say that my long-time experience with Mike Fitzgerald has always been positive. I admire the work he does and understand why he may sometimes have to put his foot down. The corner woman and all that jazz is quite another matter. Does anyone remember a New York jazz spot called Michael's Pub? It was managed (owned) by a rude s.o.b. who tainted the club's atmosphere to the point where it became a chore having to go there, even if a favorite was appearing. The bastard deserved to go out of business and I don't think a single tear was shed in the jazz community. Anyone remember that place?
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) I never went there, but isn't that where Woody Allen was doing his thing (also Steve Allen worked there once or twice)? like I said I think Mike has done good work - but all the life has gone out of Jazz Research due to his hall-monitor attitude. There are some occasional interesting things - also, I have noticed that he plays favorites a bit, will tolerate certain things from more established people but will censor things from people he considers to be more of his peers (or will let things go if he agrees with the post; note the idiot psychologist on the list, Judith Schlessinger) - and just so you know, Chris, by posting here about his forum you have, at least under what he told me, violated his rules which, according to his email, are that NO MENTION may be made of Jazz Research outside of that list. I kid you not. Sorry, but I will have to report you..... Edited October 27, 2009 by AllenLowe
fasstrack Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) I must say that my long-time experience with Mike Fitzgerald has always been positive. I admire the work he does and understand why he may sometimes have to put his foot down. The corner woman and all that jazz is quite another matter. Does anyone remember a New York jazz spot called Michael's Pub? It was managed (owned) by a rude s.o.b. who tainted the club's atmosphere to the point where it became a chore having to go there, even if a favorite was appearing. The bastard deserved to go out of business and I don't think a single tear was shed in the jazz community. Anyone remember that place?I certainly do. I worked there with Hadda Brooks, a great singer-pianist from L.A., for a month in '94. Gil Wiest is his name (the brother of actress Dianne)---and his reputation preceded him. He gave myself and Ms. Brooks the hardest time he could----but we never took the bait. She was such a great singer (and my friend Morris Edwards was on the gig on bass) that we just pulled together, ignored his BS and made the best music we could. It was a memorable experience. And next time I saw Mr. Wiest he had nothing but respect for me. One good thing about that place was it was open-ended in terms of long engagements---not too many joints like that in NY anymore. In fact Morris and I were looking for him to try to scare up another gig. Edited October 27, 2009 by fasstrack
fasstrack Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 unnessecary (sp?) I believe around here it's spelled Nessa-sary. 'Don't tell me what's Nessa----I tell you what's Nessa'.....* *High Anxiety
Brad Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 Unless you're a repeat violator of the rules, there would seem to be little reason to kick someone off a forum. I suppose that's a naive view however.
AllenLowe Posted October 27, 2009 Author Report Posted October 27, 2009 right - but that's assuming the rules make sense. With Jazz Research he clearly did not not want me to even REFER to it anywhere else. This is just not acceptable to me.
JSngry Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 With Jazz Research he clearly did not not want me to even REFER to it anywhere else. This is just not acceptable to me. You ever stop to think that maybe he wanted to keep the group private & not have amateurs & hobbyists knocking about, which any time you say the words "jazz research" you are sure to get? That's not an intrinsically bad thing, and I don't think he would say that it is, But from what I can gather, he wants this group to be limited to people with serious chops and credentials, and to that I say, yeah, right on. It is his thing after all. Oh yeah, right... that's not acceptable to you, so now what are you doing? Using a public forum to discuss a private one and vent against it's "owner" using "has this ever happened to you?" as a premise. Kinda sounds like a temper tantrum to me, but hey, I'm old-fashioned that way.
Chuck Nessa Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 It is a private list - you have to be invited to join in, even to read it. The point Allen is making is MF does not want anything from the list repeated anywhere. A few members have forwarded messages to me with the strict order to keep it private so they won't get in trouble.
7/4 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Posted October 27, 2009 With Jazz Research he clearly did not not want me to even REFER to it anywhere else. This is just not acceptable to me. You ever stop to think that maybe he wanted to keep the group private & not have amateurs & hobbyists knocking about, which any time you say the words "jazz research" you are sure to get? That's not an intrinsically bad thing, and I don't think he would say that it is, But from what I can gather, he wants this group to be limited to people with serious chops and credentials, and to that I say, yeah, right on. It is his thing after all. Oh yeah, right... that's not acceptable to you, so now what are you doing? Using a public forum to discuss a private one and vent against it's "owner" using "has this ever happened to you?" as a premise. Kinda sounds like a temper tantrum to me, but hey, I'm old-fashioned that way. It's the same ole air the dirty laundry shit - character assassination.
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