Pepper Adams/Donald Byrd "Out of This World"

[riverrat]

I'd like to hear from board members about the the session itself, and also on the quality of the Fresh Sounds reissue.

Thanks in advance.

[pryan]

I'm just waiting for the wise ass to say this album is "out of this world". Whoops, I already did.

Seriously, though, someone else will have to help you out on this one, because I haven't heard it.

[Chrome]

I don't know that specific session, but I've got Byrd in Hand and Byrd Live at the Half Note, both w/Adams, and the two really work well together on this music.

[Peter A]

Great session, particularly the title track. I think it is as good as the various Byrd-Adams sessions issued on Blue Note. Things couldn't have gone wrong with such a line up: Byrd, Adams, Herbie Hancock, Laymon Jackson and Jimmy Cobb.

I only have the original record on Warwick Records - which is a pretty noisy pressing - so I can't comment on the sonic of the Fresh Sound reissue.

[JSngry]

I know this material from the TCB "reissue" of the 1970s, and it ain't too shabby.

[mikeweil]

The Fresh Sound is okay, sound wise, and the LP pressing was good. They did two LPs, one a straight reissue of the Warwick, Vol. 2 with alternates, many of them incomplete takes but with very good solo work.

[riverrat]

Thanks for the comments folks! I will probably go ahead and pick up the Fresh Sounds CD of this session.

[robviti]

yes, do! this is a wonderful session, and the fresh sounds reissue is by far the best way to hear this music on cd.

[Mark Stryker]

These sessions in their various incarnations have been discussed a few times here, but I'm trying to get clarity on something: While these represent Herbie Hancock's first recordings, my understanding is that they were not released at the time and Byrd's "Royal Flush," recording in Sept. 1961 and presumably released around the end of that year, was the first time anyone had heard Herbie in record. Is this correct?

[JohnS]

I have the TCB vinyl. It never struck a chord with me so clearly due for a reappraisal.

[Chuck Nessa]

Checking my Down Beat review annuals I see Out of this World was reviewed in 1961 and Royal Flush in 1963.

[Mark Stryker]

Checking my Down Beat review annuals I see Out of this World was reviewed in 1961 and Royal Flush in 1963.

Hmm. Interesting, thanks. Does it say which issue in '61? I've got most of them at home.

How could it be that Byrd would have a record come out on Warwick right in the middle of what I assume would be an exclusive contract with Blue Note -- unless the early '61 recording was literally after one BN deal had ended and another had started?

[Chuck Nessa]

Checking my Down Beat review annuals I see Out of this World was reviewed in 1961 and Royal Flush in 1963.

Hmm. Interesting, thanks. Does it say which issue in '61? I've got most of them at home.

How could it be that Byrd would have a record come out on Warwick right in the middle of what I assume would be an exclusive contract with Blue Note -- unless the early '61 recording was literally after one BN deal had ended and another had started?

The annuals reprint the reviews but don't mention the issue.

[Larry Kart]

Heard that group live at the Birdhouse in Chicago in '61.

[JSngry]

Hmm. Interesting, thanks. Does it say which issue in '61? I've got most of them at home.

How could it be that Byrd would have a record come out on Warwick right in the middle of what I assume would be an exclusive contract with Blue Note -- unless the early '61 recording was literally after one BN deal had ended and another had started?

My Google shows me that on the original album, Pepper Adams had top billing, for whatever that's worth.

[mjzee]

What's the best way to get this music now - still the Fresh Sound CD? It doesn't have the alternates.

[Head Man]

What's the best way to get this music now - still the Fresh Sound CD? It doesn't have the alternates.

Yes.....and......yes.

[bertrand]

The Fresh Sound CD has a problem, IIRC. I think the song 'Curro's' is repeated so instead of 12 minutes, it's the 6 minute track played over. I'll have to check.

Bertrand.

[Head Man]

The Fresh Sound CD has a problem, IIRC. I think the song 'Curro's' is repeated so instead of 12 minutes, it's the 6 minute track played over. I'll have to check.

Bertrand.

Ah, so you DO get one alternate at least.........

I must say that I'd never have noticed. I thought it was just twice round the block for that tune. If it's true then the solos on the second part of the tune are different from those in the first part. Not the most interesting tune on the CD, IMO.

Edited August 27, 2013 by Head Man

[Rooster_Ties]

Anybody have a good source for good, complete discographical info for this date?

In particular, accurate composer credits? Any Herbie-penned tunes? Thanks in advance!

[JSngry]

You mean "Herb", correct? It's Herb Hancock that's on this record.

[Head Man]

Anybody have a good source for good, complete discographical info for this date?

In particular, accurate composer credits? Any Herbie-penned tunes? Thanks in advance!

From the Fresh Sounds website:

1. Byrd House (Donald Byrd)

2. Mr. Lucky (Henry Mancini)

3. Day Dreams (Ellintong-Strayhorn-Latouche)

4. I'm An Old Cowhand (Johnny Mercer)

5. Curro's (Donald Byrd)

6. It's a Beautiful Evening (Wayne-Rasch)

7. Out Of This World (Arlen-Mercer)

Recorded in NYC, 1961

Herbie Hancock (p), Donald Byrd (tp), Pepper Adams (bs), Laymon Jackson (b), Jimmy Cobb (d), Teddy Charles (vb #6)

Edited August 28, 2013 by Head Man

[king ubu]

from my (old) Bruyninckx source:

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-Out of this world- : Pepper Adams Quintet : Donald Byrd (tp) Pepper Adams (bar) Herbie Hancock (p) Layman Jackson (b) Jimmy Cobb (d) Teddy Charles (vib-1)

New York, 1961

Curro's Warwick LP2041, (Jap)RJ7179

Day dreams - , -

Bird house - , -

Out of this world - , -

61WA70 Mr. Lucky theme - , -

61WA71 It's a beautiful evening (1) - , -

Curro's (alt take) T.C.B. 1006

Note : Warwick LP2041 = T.C.B. Records TCB1002 entitled "Takin' care of business" and issued wrongly as by "Donald Byrd/Herbie Hancock" = Fresh Sound (Sp)FSR638 = (Sp)FSRCD137 that contains the complete extended versions of the Warwick LP2041.

-Out of this world Vol 2- : same pers.

New York, 1961

Curro's Fresh Sound (Sp)FRS347

Day dreams -

Bird house -

Out of this world -

Mr. Lucky theme -

I'm an old cowhand -

Note : The first 5 titles are apparently alternate takes. Although the review doesn't mention this specifically it states that on Volume 2 Herbie Hancock gets more playing time.

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No idea what "review" is meant. And no idea if any of this makes sense/is accurate.

Edited August 28, 2013 by king ubu

[EKE BBB]

More accurate recording date is January 1961, according to Pepper Adams biographer and discographer Gary Carner ( http://www.pepperadams.com/DatesAsLeader.html ).

[Peter Friedman]

My copy is a Japanese CD. Label on the front cover and CD says Warwick with Century Record Co. Ltd. Japan also mentioned.

The front cover has the original art work from the Warwick LP.