relyles Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 Personally, I enoy reading the opinions of both points of view regarding Evan Parker and appreciate both Allen and Alexander for their attempts at presenting their thoughts in an articulate manner. Quote
7/4 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 Personally, I enoy reading the opinions of both points of view regarding Evan Parker and appreciate both Allen and Alexander for their attempts at presenting their thoughts in an articulate manner. It's totally unnecessary for Allen to insult people and expect them to be receptive to his opinion. It's a perfect way to get a hostile reaction. Follow his further adventures on the subject here. Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 my god what have I done? Blank posts, references to venereal disease - what destruction hath I wrought with which GOD will smote Organissimo for my sin? ye bezelbub, Jehova, and the 4 wise men - buildeth me an ark! Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) actually the truth is somewhat less cosmic - I wanted to delete that other thread, but could not, so figured best to leave it blank. I like to discuss this stuff, but apparently my opinions annoy some people. Which I can understand, as this topic is frought with musical politics, and as soon as I express reservations it likely brings forth images of the "anti-jazz" arguments of the 1960s, not to mention the usual mainstream objections. But I like to think that my opinions are a little better formed than that and based on more complex criteria. Edited October 19, 2009 by AllenLowe Quote
7/4 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 my god what have I done? Blank posts, references to venereal disease - what destruction hath I wrought with which GOD will smote Organissimo for my sin? ye bezelbub, Jehova, and the 4 wise men - buildeth me an ark! more sarcastic trolling. Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 all right, you can have the last word Quote
7/4 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 all right, you can have the last word passive aggressive behavior, if I'm not mistaken. . Quote
coreymwamba Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 are there actually any moderators in this place? or should I just be polite and pretend coreymwamba doesn't exist? I find the last post to be quite offensive. Unless personal attacks are now considered to be acceptable. The lack of respect for a member's opinion and experience is lousy; beyond that it creates a sense of intimidation, and really says "we don't want to hear from you unless you agree with us." It is contemptuous and on a par with, say, trying to embarrass a member for spelling something incorrectly (because learning disabilities are hilarious; ask Litweiler) - Well. What I wrote here was nowhere near as blatantly offensive as the two PMs you've just sent me: totally unnecessary. It isn't that I don't respect your opinion - I just don't like your approach to other people's opinions in expressing your opinion. You can think what you like about Evan Parker - it's all valid, everything's in the ear of the listener - but there's no need to belittle people and constantly shout down others. I read the threads more than I post because I enjoy finding out about things on here - it's definitely a great place to find out information about music I love. But to be honest, it gets very wearying to read yet another thread that's hijacked by The Thoughts of AllenLowe. Quote
7/4 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 are there actually any moderators in this place? or should I just be polite and pretend coreymwamba doesn't exist? I find the last post to be quite offensive. Unless personal attacks are now considered to be acceptable. The lack of respect for a member's opinion and experience is lousy; beyond that it creates a sense of intimidation, and really says "we don't want to hear from you unless you agree with us." It is contemptuous and on a par with, say, trying to embarrass a member for spelling something incorrectly (because learning disabilities are hilarious; ask Litweiler) - Well. What I wrote here was nowhere near as blatantly offensive as the two PMs you've just sent me: totally unnecessary. It isn't that I don't respect your opinion - I just don't like your approach to other people's opinions in expressing your opinion. You can think what you like about Evan Parker - it's all valid, everything's in the ear of the listener - but there's no need to belittle people and constantly shout down others. I read the threads more than I post because I enjoy finding out about things on here - it's definitely a great place to find out information about music I love. But to be honest, it gets very wearying to read yet another thread that's hijacked by The Thoughts of AllenLowe. Thank you, exactly! Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 allright, show me where I shouted someone down or belittled them. C'mon guys, Coreymwamba entered by attacking me initially. I had merely expressed my opinion of Parker. God this is stupid. Quote
7/4 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 allright, show me where I shouted someone down or belittled them. C'mon guys, Coreymwamba entered by attacking me initially. I had merely expressed my opinion of Parker. God this is stupid. No shit. Here's an example: Steve, can you read? wow speaking about overall quality of music. double wow responding to a passive agressive question from 7/4 wow again I've made 6 CDs, not one wow to the 10th degree though one critic did once compare my tenor playing to Sonny ROllins and though Anonthony Braxton said about me "he is one of the few musicians today doing anything new." no wow at this point, though I do disagree with that critic (and though Roswell Rudd told me I reminded him of Shepp) by the way, I recorded the particular CD you refer to with a broken finger last wow Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) geez, that sounds like countering a nasty comment with a strong reponse - the term 'wow' was a reference to Steve's own pretty nasty little comments. (though, you're right - I probably should not have inquired about his reading ability) - but you know, Beardsley, you have been peppering me with nast belittlers about ego-centricism on this and other threads. This whole thing was started by your basically objecting, in a nasty and sarcastic way, to the fact that that I even ventured a counter opinion to the prevailing attitude about Parker. But yes, this may indeed be a glass house situation for us all. at any rate, I have gone back and deleted a bunch of my posts in the interests of re-directing this to its original topic. I invite the moderators, if there are any, to delete any other of my posts that bother them, and I suggest we all do same. this is unbecoming and silly. Edited October 19, 2009 by AllenLowe Quote
7/4 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) Anyway...having a good close listen to Mat Maneri inspired me to dig into my collection and give him more listening. I was checking out Soul Search with Joe Morris last night and this morning. His use of 72 tone equal temperament as part of his language instead of his agenda was something that Rod Poole after. Someone at the show said his music was sad. I don't know about that, his microtonal intervals didn't sound happy or sad, more like they sounded other. Microtonality expresses emotions that 12 tone equal temperament can't. There's other Mat discs in my collection to check out. I can't remember if I've heard him perform before, maybe at the American Festival of Microtonal Music. Edited October 19, 2009 by 7/4 Quote
kenny weir Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) No fair: That post was deliberately crafted as a response to the equally snotty post of Steve Reynolds - who may be a relative newcomer here but who is well-known for his equally snotty AND passionate posting history spanning many years elsewhere. And speaking of snotty/passionate, count me as one who enjoys the contributions of the Allens and Steves of our little world. Much more fun than, well, whatever ... Which is presumably why the former, despite a little acerbic cut and thrust, didn't seem to have any real problem with the latter. Nor do I. allright, show me where I shouted someone down or belittled them. C'mon guys, Coreymwamba entered by attacking me initially. I had merely expressed my opinion of Parker. God this is stupid. No shit. Here's an example: Steve, can you read? wow speaking about overall quality of music. double wow responding to a passive agressive question from 7/4 wow again I've made 6 CDs, not one wow to the 10th degree though one critic did once compare my tenor playing to Sonny ROllins and though Anonthony Braxton said about me "he is one of the few musicians today doing anything new." no wow at this point, though I do disagree with that critic (and though Roswell Rudd told me I reminded him of Shepp) by the way, I recorded the particular CD you refer to with a broken finger last wow Edited October 19, 2009 by kenny weir Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 thank you for that supportive - I think - comment. but from now on I've decided I'm going to stay out of trouble by avoiding controversial subjects. So for my first nice post: PUPPIES so soft and warm Quote
kenny weir Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 thank you for that supportive - I think - comment. You're quite welcome to my ambiguity and/or ambivalance. Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Posted October 19, 2009 yes, maybe, I think, I understand. Perhaps. Quote
Steve Reynolds Posted October 20, 2009 Author Report Posted October 20, 2009 where is my snotty post? Quote
7/4 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 where is my snotty post? I don't see where Steve or Aggie deserved any crap from Mr. Lowe. . Quote
kenny weir Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) where is my snotty post? Steve, the post of Allen's used to demonstrate what a nasty prick he is was posted in direct, subsequent response to this post of yours: so Allen are you comparing yourself to Evan Parker? wow I have a nice CD of yours from years back - Dark was the Night - a decent recording with a decent tenor saxophonist in the league of Evan Parker? wow listen to his 50th Birthday 2 CD set from 1995 & get back to me on that one Now, I know you don't think this is snotty, but maybe that's because, well ... forest, trees, that sort of thing. But no matter - I enjoy your posts AND those of Mr Lowe. And as with him, a chunk of, um, feistiness goes with the enthusiasm and opinionatedness. Hey - I think I just invented a word! I don't see where Steve or Aggie deserved any crap from Mr. Lowe. Well maybe, but it depends on how you define crap. I'm semi-regularly crapped on by another member but I no longer react. For him, it's just a sort of facial tick. Edited October 20, 2009 by kenny weir Quote
AllenLowe Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) how dare he call me decent? well, it did feel like the damnation of faint praise - especially when that particular band got raves (played Sweet Basil in NYC) and the prior CD by the same group was named one of the top releases of the year by the National Assoc. of Independent Record Distributors. also, I did record it with a broken finger - hurt like an sob. Edited October 20, 2009 by AllenLowe Quote
7/4 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 That still doesn't make it all OK. I thought B3er wants members to respect each other...Allen keeps trolling for some action like some fucked up child. Quote
kenny weir Posted October 20, 2009 Report Posted October 20, 2009 That still doesn't make it all OK. I thought B3er wants members to respect each other...Allen keeps trolling for some action like some fucked up child. Fair enough point. But it's just that for myself I much prefer colourful, even if sometimes wayward, characters to continual nicey nice. Quote
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