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Just used the wonders of Excel to satisfy my curiosity on this count.

Not easy to categorise - what about multi-national bands (For Clarke-Boland I opted for France), people like Kenny Wheeler (went for UK) - but opted for who seemed to be the leader.

USA 62.32%

UK 23.17

Italy 3.92

Norway 2.14

Australia 1.69

France 1.69

Germany 0.89

Sweden 0.54

Ireland 0.51

Poland 0.41

Spain 0.32

Asia 0.26

Austria 0.22

Hungary 0.22

Lebanon 0.22

Canada 0.19

Czech 0.19

Finland 0.19

Netherlands 0.16

Serbia 0.13

South Africa 0.13

Tunisia 0.13

Denmark 0.10

Belgium 0.06

Turkey 0.06

Argentina 0.03

Portugal 0.03

Russia 0.03

Switz 0.03

Based on around 3000 jazz recordings.

Or put another way - USA 62%, UK 23%, Rest of the World 15%!

Quite surprised...I thought I was more international than that!

Edited by Bev Stapleton
Posted

I'm not going to go through my collection piece by piece, but I know it's heavily US-centered. I do have more stuff from Japan than you, and a fair number of European recordings (mostly avant-garde), but I could only guess how they're broken down by country - I'm too lazy to count.

And of course, like any Sun Ra fan, I have quite a few albums from Saturn.

Off topic: Bev, is your current profile picture from Avebury?

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What do you mean by "recordings"? Really individual recordings or actually albums/CDs?

Albums (no matter how many discs...the Ellington RCA is counted as 1) in whatever format - in my case LP, CD, CD-R. I forgot to include the Buddy Bolden wax cylinder Mosaic.

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I'm not going to go through my collection piece by piece, but I know it's heavily US-centered. I do have more stuff from Japan than you, and a fair number of European recordings (mostly avant-garde), but I could only guess how they're broken down by country - I'm too lazy to count.

Yes, that's to be expected. The high proportion of UK jazz in my collection just represents what I bump into - most live jazz is UK, the jazz press give it a high profile.

And of course, like any Sun Ra fan, I have quite a few albums from Saturn.

And I put him under USA! Blast!

Off topic: Bev, is your current profile picture from Avebury?

It is indeed...one of my favourite places. And, unlike Stonehenge, free and rarely crowded.

Posted (edited)

Are we going on where the session was recorded or where the artists or band resides?

My Excel list doesn't include recording venue! I worked off nationality. Generally straightforward, though there are some questions. John McLaughlin, George Shearing (I only have 1 album and that's a Xmas one!*) and Dave Holland, for example, are Brits by birth but their music is highly Americanised. I've still left them as UK.

* Not quite true...I have the MPS box with Louis Stewart/NHOP, but I count that one as a Louis Stewart record rather than a UK or Danish one! So it goes nder Ireland!

And some of the McLaughlins should really be under Asia! He's easily outnumbered.

Edited by Bev Stapleton
Posted (edited)

No Excel cataloging here so I just made a rough calculation of the percentages by adding up the running shelf meters taken up by the collection (based on some 4,000 to 4,500 discs of the jazz section):

In fact, just like Bev, I found my vinyl collection leaning more towards the US than I had figured:

USA close to 85%

Europe a bit more than 15%

of which the European ranking is (in order of most-represented country among the vinyl):

Germany

Sweden

France

U.K.

Denmark

and then all others

OTOH, of all my jazz CDs (which are mostly purchased to fill gaps in what has not been previously been released/reissued on vinyl and are therefore still outnumbered by vinyl about 10:1), more than 50% are European jazz -

in order of frequency:

France

Sweden

Germany

U.K.

Italy

all others

Which seems to show where the most glaring omissions in reissue programming have been in the past, at least for my tastes ... ;)

Edited by Big Beat Steve
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I forgot to include the Buddy Bolden wax cylinder Mosaic.

:excited:

Bev, how long did it take you to enter 3,000 titles into excel? What other sorts of trends emerge? Do you break them down according to sub-genre or that sort of thing? I have considerably fewer than 3,000, so it might be a fun exercise.

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There are lots of ways to slice this, including whether a TOCJ counts as Japan because of country of manufacture vs USA because its a BN recording. I'd vote for the latter.

But anyway you slice it, I would guess that my collection is around 90-95% USA (0% Saturn).

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I forgot to include the Buddy Bolden wax cylinder Mosaic.

:excited:.

The Bolden's nothing special, Papsrus. He was into a Wynton-like thing at the time it was recorded. 'Wanna trade?' as they say!

Bev, how long did it take you to enter 3,000 titles into excel? What other sorts of trends emerge? Do you break them down according to sub-genre or that sort of thing? I have considerably fewer than 3,000, so it might be a fun exercise.

About ten years!

I started it way back. Can't recall how long it took to start with but I've been good at updating. I recall being a bit amazed at how I could date the year I bought things in during the 70s. Must be the historian in me.

For the jazz I do a simple set of columns:

  • performer
  • album title
  • recording date
  • date I bought it
  • format (CD/LP/CD-R)
  • no. discs
  • nationality

I have different sheets for classical, rock, folk, MOR, Latin, World, Scandinavian (folk), country, Brazilian.

There are commercial packages that link into the online databases but Excel works for me. I can read the record sleeve for the other info.

The only trend I've noticed is that the more CDs I have the more I buy! And that I've not bought many rock records since 1976! The Scandinavian folk and Brazilian interests are post-2000 obsessions,

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Rock comes out:

UK 56.74

USA 32.20

Iceland 0.36

New Zealand 0.36

Canada 6.08

Ireland 4.13

Germany 0.12

Again very English-speaking-o-centric.

Similar problems - Canada does well through Joni and Neil, though they could be equally put in USA given that the blk of their careers have been there. CSNY I put under USA, despite the claims by Canada and Manchester.

Ireland does very well, even though this section contains no folk music where Ireland does very well.

Guess the Iceland and New Zealand!

Posted (edited)

Guess the ... New Zealand!

Johnny Devlin?

(Nah, just kidding, he'd figure for N.Z. in a country-b-ycountry breakdown of the non-jazz section of MY collection, but I would't really expect to find him in anybody else's country by country listing ;))

Edited by Big Beat Steve
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* Not quite true...I have the MPS box with Louis Stewart/NHOP, but I count that one as a Louis Stewart record rather than a UK or Danish one! So it goes under Ireland!

:cool: We're on the same page there, Bev. ^_^

Guest Bill Barton
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Well, it can only be an estimate for me. I have no database catalog and - heck - most of the collection isn't even in alphabetical order (yet.)

Probably about 85% USA...

Quite a few UK...

Lots of Netherlands...

Quite a few South Africa...

Lots of Russia/former Soviet Union...

Maybe 10% total mixed European countries...

Posted

Off topic: Bev, is your current profile picture from Avebury?

It is indeed...one of my favourite places. And, unlike Stonehenge, free and rarely crowded.

I spent a wonderful day in Avebury about 14 years ago. That part of England is one of the most beautiful places on earth.

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Gee, I was thinking New Orleans, Chicago, Southwest, New York, West Coast and Other. :P

Actually, my entire collection is in a basement in Whitehall, Michigan.

...or Uptown, Downtown and 52nd Street.

Can you store loft sessions in a basement? Basement sessions in your loft?

Posted (edited)

I have Bird's basement sessions in my basement -

and I keep the Loft Sessions in my attic -

the road sessions are in my car -

and I only listen to Constellation when I fly somewhere.

the Dial sessions are stored in my bathroom.

Edited by AllenLowe

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