Teasing the Korean Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) The CD of this available from Amazon is (supposedly) mastered from vinyl. Has anyone heard this CD and you comment on that? Was the original LP ever reissued on vinyl (like as a twofer in the 70s)? Are there more than one CD versions? Edited August 21, 2009 by Teasing the Korean Quote
kh1958 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I have a copy of the 1980 Columbia Records reissue of Freedom Now Suite. Quote
BillF Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 I had a vinyl copy in the sixties. As far as I remember, it was on Riverside and "Freedom Suite" occupied Side 1 only. There were three(?) other songs on Side 2. Quote
kh1958 Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 There is Freedom Now Suite, originally on Candid, with Max Roach as the leader. And there is the Sonny Rollins recording, Freedom Suite, on Riverside, with Max Roach on drums. The subject of the thread is the former, not the latter? Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Posted August 17, 2009 Sorry, I meant Freedom Now Suite, Max Roach with Abbey Lincoln. So there was a Columbia LP of this in addition to the original issue? Quote
JSngry Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 Yes, and also one on the Sweedish(?) Amigo label that reproduced the original cover art. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Posted August 17, 2009 What's up with the CD? Is it really mastered from vinyl? Has anyone heard the CD? Quote
paul secor Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 There was also a 70's issue on Japanese vinyl. Quote
Cyril Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 What's up with the CD? Is it really mastered from vinyl? Has anyone heard the CD? I have only the CD. As far as I know it's remastered from vinyl. Read the reviews... http://www.amazon.com/Insist-Max-Roachs-Fr...e/dp/B00008EX7B Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Posted August 17, 2009 What's up with the CD? Is it really mastered from vinyl? Has anyone heard the CD? I have only the CD. As far as I know it's remastered from vinyl. Weird. How did the LP reissues sound? Quote
mikeweil Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) They sounded like decent needle drops ca. 1980. The LP they dubbed from obviously was in good condition. Edited August 17, 2009 by mikeweil Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Posted August 17, 2009 So what has happened to the master tapes??? Quote
blajay Posted August 17, 2009 Report Posted August 17, 2009 So what has happened to the master tapes??? I think the story was in a Chris Albertson thread. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Posted August 17, 2009 One of our members posted that the Purple Pleasure vinyl reissue sounds great, like it came from the master tapes. Quote
paul secor Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 One of our members posted that the Purple Pleasure vinyl reissue sounds great, like it came from the master tapes. I sent an e-mail inquiring about this to Michael Fremer (Stereophile, etc.) and he replied that the Pure Pleasure Candid reissues were done from the master tapes. I have no idea where his information came from - just passing on what he wrote. Quote
Claude Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 One of our members posted that the Purple Pleasure vinyl reissue sounds great, like it came from the master tapes. That was probably me. I can confirm here that the Pure Pleasure LP reissue sounds very good, as you normally expect from a reissue of a 1960 studio recording. http://store.acousticsounds.com/browse_det...?Title_ID=28849 It's sad that this was never decently reissued on CD. Other jazz labels are constantly remastering their back catalog with little or no benefit, but Candid just keeps their crappy vinyl-sourced CD in print although it's now certain that a good tape exists. Quote
jlhoots Posted August 18, 2009 Report Posted August 18, 2009 My CD copy is a Japanese issue - VICJ-2227. Said to be 20bitK2. Came out in 1997. Sounds O.K. to me. Quote
medjuck Posted August 28, 2009 Report Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) My cd copy is on the Candid label distributed by Black Lion. Bought it in the UK. Doesn't seem to be a needle drop to me. Edit to say after further listening I think I'm wrong and it might be taken directly off an Lp. Edited August 28, 2009 by medjuck Quote
erwbol Posted June 14, 2018 Report Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) On 18/08/2009 at 4:30 PM, jlhoots said: My CD copy is a Japanese issue - VICJ-2227. Said to be 20bitK2. Came out in 1997. Sounds O.K. to me. Are the liner notes to your edition in English or Japanese? Someone on Discogs with your edition claims the liner notes say the Victor CDs were made from Max Roach personal master tapes. (link) I have the previous Victor Japan CD edition from 1986, VDJ-1568. Liner notes are in Japanese, but it does say in English 'Licensed by Max Roach', twice. Clearly the 1986 CD is not sourced from vinyl. Much nicer sound than the EU/US Candid CDs. Edited June 14, 2018 by erwbol Quote
jlhoots Posted June 15, 2018 Report Posted June 15, 2018 5 hours ago, erwbol said: Are the liner notes to your edition in English or Japanese? Someone on Discogs with your edition claims the liner notes say the Victor CDs were made from Max Roach personal master tapes. (link) I have the previous Victor Japan CD edition from 1986, VDJ-1568. Liner notes are in Japanese, but it does say in English 'Licensed by Max Roach', twice. Clearly the 1986 CD is not sourced from vinyl. Much nicer sound than the EU/US Candid CDs. Japanese - but the original Nat Hentoff liner note in English is also printed in the package. Quote
paul secor Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 The two Japanese LP issues (I have one) and two Japanese CD issues have a different running order than other LP and CD issues, including the original Candid LP issue. According to Discogs, "Although the back cover shows the original tracklisting, track positions have been modified for this reissue, as can be seen on record labels and insert (explanation in Japanese). This track listing modification is Roach's own intention especially for this Japanese release (written in liner notes)." Does anyone know whether this different running order was Max Roach's original intention, or whether he decided on it years later. It's also interesting that the US Columbia issue, which I believe was leased from Max Roach, has the original track running order. Strange stuff. Quote
erwbol Posted June 20, 2018 Report Posted June 20, 2018 My 1986 Victor CDÂ shows the adjusted tracklisting on the back cover artwork as well as in the booklet (page 2 and back). Thanks for your reply. I (obviously) have no answer to your question about Max Roach's original intentions. Quote
psu_13 Posted March 9 Report Posted March 9 This album was apparently just reissued again in 2022 with a new mastering that's actually from tape. Seemed worth appending to this thread. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 Thanks for bumping this -- I have the Japanese Victor LP which has a different running order than the original LP. I always assumed the alternate order had something to do with the tape transfer and side lengths, but it would be interesting if that was a revision specifically called for by the artist. Quote
Teasing the Korean Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 On 3/8/2024 at 9:14 PM, psu_13 said: This album was apparently just reissued again in 2022 with a new mastering that's actually from tape. Seemed worth appending to this thread. Thank you! Quote
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