liarhydrant Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Does anyone here know of a definitive list of the 100 or so Blue Note titles that have recently been deleted? I'm aware of a thread on here listing the ones that were cut at the end of last year, but according to a couple of tiny snippets in recent Jazzwise magazines, 100 more have been culled this year too. It's a travesty that milk monitors and bean-counters are now the final judges of what art stays and what art is canned for all eternity. I'm also interested if anyone has the heads-up on future RVGs and Connoiseurs (in case I blow handsome sums of money on Japanese imports when if I'd have waited 2 weeks they'd be available in my local HMV). Thanks in advance, now to check out my birthday present to myself, Tyrone Washington's Natural Essence. I hope it was worth the wait... Quote
Head Man Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 .......now to check out my birthday present to myself, Tyrone Washington's Natural Essence. I hope it was worth the wait... It was! Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Thanks in advance, now to check out my birthday present to myself, Tyrone Washington's Natural Essence. I hope it was worth the wait... Here's to hoping it was MORE than worth the wait!! Quote
RDK Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 Does anyone here know of a definitive list of the 100 or so Blue Note titles that have recently been deleted? I'm aware of a thread on here listing the ones that were cut at the end of last year, but according to a couple of tiny snippets in recent Jazzwise magazines, 100 more have been culled this year too. It's a travesty that milk monitors and bean-counters are now the final judges of what art stays and what art is canned for all eternity. "For all eternity?" hyperbole much? And here I was just complaining to a friend the other day how Mingus Ah Um was oop fr a while when I first discovered Mingus back around 1980. Quote
liarhydrant Posted August 4, 2009 Author Report Posted August 4, 2009 Granted, maybe I meant the hope of a tangible copy complete with real packaging and liner notes. Bluenote will obviously have a stab at downloads. But for a luddite like me I fear the idea of scrolling through a Leonard Feather essay on an mp3 player-sized screen and having only a thumbnail version of Reid Miles' cover art to savour. PS: Natural Essence is quite a fun session. Washington writes heads with interesting little across-the-beat rhythmic wrinkles, some Silver touches to his ballad, and there's the obvious Sidewinder ringer in there too. The slightly limp, free excursion final track could have been left out though. 1968tastic! Quote
Hank Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Does anyone here know of a definitive list of the 100 or so Blue Note titles that have recently been deleted? May not be complete, but it's close: Deleted Blue Notes RVGs: Art Blakey - Like Someone In Love Sonny Clark- Dial S For Sonny Joe Henderson - Our Thing Clifford Jordan & John Gilmore -Blowing In From Chicago Jackie McLean - Capuchin Swing Jackie McLean - Right Now! Jackie McLean - A Fickle Sonance Jackie McLean - New And Old Gospel Blue Mitchell - Boss Horn Blue Mitchell - Down With It Hank Mobley - Hi Voltage Hank Mobley - Dippin' Lee Morgan - Tom Cat Lee Morgan - The Rumproller Leo Parker - Let Me Tell You 'Bout It Bud Powell - Bud! The Amazing Bud Powell-Volume 3 Ike Quebec -Heavy Soul Horace Silver - In Pursuit Of The 27th Man Horace Silver - The Stylings Of Silver Horace Silver - You Gotta Take A Little Love Jimmy Smith - The Sounds Of Jimmy Smith Jimmy Smith - At The Organ, Volume 3 Lonnie Smith - Turning Point Art Taylor - A.T.'s Delight Cecil Taylor - Conquistador! Connoisseurs: Lou Blackburn - Complete Imperial Sessions Tina Brooks - Back To The Tracks Tina Brooks - Minor Move Tina Brooks - The Waiting Game Donald Byrd - The Transition Sessions (w/Doug Watkins) (2 CDs) Introducing Kenny Cox & The Contemporary Jazz Quintet Frank Foster - Manhattan Fever Grant Green - First Session Elmo Hope - Trio And Quintet Freddie Hubbard - Goin' Up Bobby Hutcherson - Components Bobby Hutcherson - Now! Jackie McLean - Jacknife Jackie McLean - Vertigo Ike Quebec - Complete 45 Sessions (2 CDs) Sam Rivers - Fuchsia Swing Song Charlie Rouse - Bossa Nova Bacchanal Jack Wilson - Easterly Winds Larry Young - Mother Ship Big Bands: Cannonball Adderley - Domination (with Oliver Nelson) Count Basie - Breakfast Dance And Barbecue Count Basie - Basie Meets Bond Count Basie - The Count Basie Story (2 CDs) Don Ellis - Live At Monterey Don Ellis – Jazz in 3 & 2/3/4 Time Thad Jones/Mel Lewis - Consummation Thad Jones/Mel Lewis – Central Park North Stan Kenton – At Las Vegas Tropicana Stan Kenton – Back to Balboa Stan Kenton – City of Glass Stan Kenton – Kenton Showcase Stan Kenton – Standards in Silhouette Stan Kenton – Jazz Compositions of Dee Barton Stan Kenton – Viva Kenton! Jimmy McGriff – The Big Band: Tribute to Basie Buddy Rich – Buddy and Soul Vocalists: Jackie Allen - Tangled Jon Hendricks - A Good Git Together Billie Holiday - Billie's Blues Sheila Jordan - Portrait Of Sheila Peggy Lee - Basin Street East Presents Julie London - About The Blues The Best Of Nellie Lutcher Bobby McFerrin - Spontaneous Inventions Sue Raney - All By Myself Dakota Staton & George Shearing - In The Night Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Sings Soulfully Sarah Vaughan & Lester Young - Town Hall Concert 1947 Joe Williams - A Swinging Night At Birdland Joe Williams And Thad Jones/Mel Lewis Orchestra The Best Of Joe Williams Latin: Luarindo Almeida & Bud Shank - Brazilliance-Volume 2 Art Blakey - African Beat Los Van Van - Dancing Wet Sabu - Palo Congo The Jazz Crusaders - Chile Con Soul Chucho Valdes - Briyumba Palo Congo Assorted: Cannonball Adderley - Jazz Workshop Revisited Cannonball Adderley - Money In The Pocket Cannonball Adderley - Why Am I Treated So Bad Chet Baker & Art Pepper - Picture Of Heath Art Blakey - The Freedom Rider Art Blakey - The Witch Doctor Art Blakey - At The Jazz Corner Of The World (2 CDs) Benny Carter - Sax A La Carter Lou Donaldson - Everything I Play Is Funky Tommy Flanagan - Sunset And The Mockingbird Stan Getz - Complete Roost Recordings (3 CDs) Benny Green - Testifyin': At The Village Vanguard Grant Green - Live At The Lighthouse Grant Green - Standards Chico Hamilton - Original Ellington Suite (with Eric Dolphy) Stefon Harris - Black Action Figure Richard Groove Holmes - Groovin' With Jug (with Gene Ammons) Bobby Hutcherson - San Francisco The Jazz Crusaders - At The Lighthouse The Jazz Crusaders - Live At The Lighthouse '66 The Jazz Crusaders - Lighthouse '68 The Jazz Crusaders - The Festival Album Lee Konitz - Alone Together (with Brad Mehldau & Charlie Haden) Joe Lovano - Trio Fascination - Edition One (with Dave Holland & Elvin Jones) Joe Lovano Nonet - On This Day At The Vanguard Joe Lovano - Joyous Encounter (with Hank Jones) Joe Lovano - Quartets Live At The Village Vanguard (2 CDs) Pat Martino - Live At Yoshi's Jack McDuff - Down Home Style Jackie McLean - New Soil Charles Mingus - Jazz Portraits (Mingus In Wonderland) Hank Mobley - A Caddy For Daddy Jason Moran - Black Stars (with Sam Rivers) Jason Moran - Same Mother Lee Morgan - Caramba Lee Morgan - Charisma Lee Morgan - Standards Lee Morgan - Live At The Lighthouse (3 CDs) Lee Konitz & Gerry Mulligan - Konitz Meets Mulligan Gerry Mulligan - At Storyville (with Bob Brookmeyer) The Complete Blue Note/Capitol Recordings Of Fats Navarro & Tadd Dameron (2 CDs) The Complete Blue Note Recordings Of Herbie Nichols (3 CDs) Charlie Parker - At Storyville Charlie Parker - The Washington Concerts John Patton - Let 'Em Roll John Scofield-Joe Lovano-Dave Holland-Al Foster - Scolohofo Oh! Jimmy Smith - Standards The Three Sounds - Live At The It Club Stanley Turrentine - Up At Minton's (2 CDs) Edited August 4, 2009 by Hank Quote
king ubu Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 That's the same list that was posted before and elsewhere, I though the thread-starter spoke of yet another (unpublished?) list. Quote
Hank Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 That's the same list that was posted before and elsewhere, I though the thread-starter spoke of yet another (unpublished?) list. If it's the same list, it's probably taken from the same source as mine---Mosaic/True Blue emailings over the past year. I haven't come across any other lists. I wonder which jazz pubs made mention of further deletions, or if they were referring to titles that were deleted already. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 um, arent they ALL deleted? i havent seen a BN cd in the store new for a while.... Quote
liarhydrant Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Posted August 6, 2009 Thanks for putting that list up here; it's a start! There's a couple on there that I'll have to pounce on immediately. There's a quote from Bruce Lundvall in the recent jazzwise where he confirms the deletion of 100 albums (seemingly in addition to the ones we heard about at the end of last year) from the physical realm, saying they will all carry on in the age of digital downloads. I don't know whether these latest deletions are all Blue Notes, or just from across the EMI family. Quote
Niko Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 very stupid question... going from what's available on sites like spotify or deezer / which i would roughly guess is similar to what's available for download (?) is there any reasonable explanation why earl anderza's album is there but curtis amy's katanga isn't? i mean, they're both oop and both from the same batch of releases...? Quote
king ubu Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 you know a copy of "Katanga!" is lying around here, waiting to be shipped, don't you? Quote
Niko Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) you know a copy of "Katanga!" is lying around here, waiting to be shipped, don't you? actually, i think about that almost every day just wanted to point out that their policy of putting stuff online looks a bit erratic to me... which let's the future where nothing is available on cd but some of the back catalogue is online look less bright to me than it would otherwise... Edited August 6, 2009 by Niko Quote
king ubu Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 just in case, here's the other thread - lots of discussion/recommendations there: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=48133 Quote
king ubu Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 you know a copy of "Katanga!" is lying around here, waiting to be shipped, don't you? actually, i think about that almost every day just wanted to point out that their policy of putting stuff online looks a bit erratic to me... which let's the future where nothing is available on cd but some of the back catalogue is online look less bright to me than it would otherwise... Yep, that's true. If they really go online, offering the music lossless and with all the relevant information (discographical data, covers, liners), they should really be able to offer the product in a variety of ways and in ways that satisfy both anal completists (such as yours truly) as well as anal album fetishists... they could sort of offer various bundles and packages (i.e. get all Jimmy Smith, or get the original album of "The Sermon" or get "The Sermon" RVG version or get "The Sermon" old CD version w/compelete sessions... there'd be need for only one file per track, but it should be accessible through various filters or searches...) That kind of online distribution, I'd certainly enjoy! (Of course the long-term storage issue would still not be solved... and the possibilities to share these files and all that...) But then, with the history of the majors in recent years, they certainly will f*ck up the online offerings eventually, as well, instead of trying to offer a well thought-out product for once... they'll continue to re-sell "Blue Train" or "Kind of Blue" forever, I guess. Quote
Niko Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 But then, with the history of the majors in recent years, they certainly will f*ck up the online offerings eventually, as well, instead of trying to offer a well thought-out product for once... they'll continue to re-sell "Blue Train" or "Kind of Blue" forever, I guess. indeed - guess they'll believe they'd overwhelme us with the whole catalogue... Quote
RDK Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 My apologies, liarhydrant, for being a bit bitchy in my earlier post. We kinda went through this a while back with the Fantasy/Concord catalog, which is also in the process of being physically "deleted." I think we all have to face the fact that CDs are on their way out, so in that way pretty much all jazz catalogs are or will soon be deleted, at least in their physical form. Unfortunate, yes, but no more so than when LPs were deleted from catalogs and replaced with CDs. I'm not saying it's better - I still buy scores of CDs and LPs - but in some ways I think it will make the more obscure albums (even entire labels) more accessible in the long run. I think we need a new term, though, since I think many (if not all) of these titles won't actually be "deleted" just distributed in a different format than what we've been used to. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 Why not search for new music to enrich our lives? Quote
RDK Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Why not search for new music to enrich our lives? Indeed! I still buy some CDs and LPs for the tried-and-true, but I'm getting more pleasure these days from the (relatively inexpensive) discoveries I'm finding at emusic and (especially now) Amiestreet. I've never listened to so many young artists or so much indie-label music in my life! Edited August 7, 2009 by RDK Quote
Brad Posted August 8, 2009 Report Posted August 8, 2009 Maybe I don't understand the definition of "deleted" but haven't all the Sonny Clarks been deleted as well? Quote
Hoppy T. Frog Posted August 9, 2009 Report Posted August 9, 2009 Why not search for new music to enrich our lives? ...nah! Just kidding. Although a lot of that Blue Note stuff was "new" to me, being a Gen Xer. Quote
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