bertrand Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Has anyone picked this up yet? By 1969, the Airplane live were hit and miss (if the set list includes 'You Wear Your Dresses Too Short', I'm outta there as a rule - I know this one doesn't). How are they on this date? Is Jack Casady heard prominently? I do like the song selection. I had passed on the Fillmore set for years, but then when I found at Daedalus for $6 I picked it up - It's astounding. The version of 'Star Track' blows my mind. Does the Woodstock set come anywhere near this? Bertrand. Quote
felser Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Has anyone picked this up yet? By 1969, the Airplane live were hit and miss (if the set list includes 'You Wear Your Dresses Too Short', I'm outta there as a rule - I know this one doesn't). How are they on this date? Is Jack Casady heard prominently? I do like the song selection. I had passed on the Fillmore set for years, but then when I found at Daedalus for $6 I picked it up - It's astounding. The version of 'Star Track' blows my mind. Does the Woodstock set come anywhere near this? Bertrand. I really like the Woodstock set. Rough harmonies in places (they probably couldn't hear each other), but great spirit and purpose. I found them to not be hit or miss until Marty Balin had left. Set is pretty great, with a 15 minute "Wooden Ships" that you won't hear anywhere else (if I remember). Well worth the purchase, almost two hours of music for just the Woodstock piece (assume you already have the 'Volunteers' piece). Quote
BFrank Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) Sounds good. I have just about everything else. I'll have to pick this one up! Just looked it up on Amazon. What's the deal with including "Volunteers"? I'm sure it's great anyway, but ... Edited August 2, 2009 by BFrank Quote
felser Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Sounds good. I have just about everything else. I'll have to pick this one up! Just looked it up on Amazon. What's the deal with including "Volunteers"? I'm sure it's great anyway, but ... CBS marketing ploy on all of their recent Woodstock albums - they included 1969 studio album by the same group (Airplane, Janis, Sly, Johnny Winter, Santana). In all the other cases, that pushed it from a 1-CD set to a 2-CD set, and they left off any bonus cuts which had come with other latter-day CD versions of the studio albums, but the Airplane set would have been 2-CD anyways, and only a $19.98 list, so while including 'Volunteers' is goofy, it's no real loss. Quote
BFrank Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Sounds good. I have just about everything else. I'll have to pick this one up! Just looked it up on Amazon. What's the deal with including "Volunteers"? I'm sure it's great anyway, but ... CBS marketing ploy on all of their recent Woodstock albums - they included 1969 studio album by the same group (Airplane, Janis, Sly, Johnny Winter, Santana). In all the other cases, that pushed it from a 1-CD set to a 2-CD set, and they left off any bonus cuts which had come with other latter-day CD versions of the studio albums, but the Airplane set would have been 2-CD anyways, and only a $19.98 list, so while including 'Volunteers' is goofy, it's no real loss. ... and the major labels wonder why their business is going down the tubes. Quote
bertrand Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Posted August 2, 2009 So they could have just put the Woodstock set on 2-CDs of almost an hour each and I would have picked it up right away. But they included Volunteers, so I didn't get it thinking: 'I already have some of this'. How stupid. Bertrand. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 The sound is th bst yet on cd. The Johnny Winter show is amazing. He was already a masterful performer. Quote
7/4 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 The sound is th bst yet on cd. The Johnny Winter show is amazing. He was already a masterful performer. That was when he was really on fire. I'd like to get this, but I'm put off by including that first album. Maybe they think that by including the first album, folks who are interested in the Woodstock performances will check out the rest of an artists catalog. It's good to see that JW is part of the Woodstock legacy again! Quote
BeBop Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Their music is in something of a blindspot for me, but, once upon a time, the band was my neighbor Quote
7/4 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Their music is in something of a blindspot for me, but, once upon a time, the band was my neighbor Check that out. I'm not real familiar with JA either. Quote
vajerzy Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 I'm out of the loop- are all the Woodstock performances being released seperately? Quote
7/4 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 (edited) I'm out of the loop- are all the Woodstock performances being released seperately? Yeah, but with a "bonus" studio album from each artist. The Johnny Winter Woodstock performance includes a second disk with his first Columbia album, for example. JA includes Volunteers. Edited August 2, 2009 by 7/4 Quote
7/4 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Here we go. * The Santana studio album included is their debut album, Santana. * The Janis Joplin studio album included is I Got Dem Ol' Kozmic Blues Again Mama!. * The Sly & the Family Stone studio album included is Stand!. * The Jefferson Airplane studio album included is Volunteers. * The Johnny Winter studio album included is Johnny Winter. Quote
7/4 Posted August 2, 2009 Report Posted August 2, 2009 Sure thing...I was curious myself. Looks like the Winter disk has a few tunes I've never heard him play before. ... Quote
BFrank Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) Their music is in something of a blindspot for me, but, once upon a time, the band was my neighbor Check that out. I'm not real familiar with JA either. In their heyday, JA was one of the best. "Bless It's Pointed Little Head" is a must-have live album if you want a place to start. Studio-wise it would have to be "Surrealistic Pillow", "Crown of Creation" and "After Bathing at Baxter's" (for the complete psychedelic experience). Edited August 3, 2009 by BFrank Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 thank somebody's god I was smoking jazz dope in those years. Quote
BeBop Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 Their music is in something of a blindspot for me, but, once upon a time, the band was my neighbor. thank somebody's god I was smoking jazz dope in those years. And I feel fortunate to have been too callow to fully understand what was going on next door. (I did understand naked women, however.) Quote
Big Al Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 Do whatever you have to do to get the Sly & The Family Stone Woodstock set. Now THAT is a ferocious performance! Helluva party record, right up there with the Greatest Hits album. For someone like me who wasn't there (or even born yet), it's hard to believe they were rockin' this hard at 3:00 in the morning!!! Yes, getting Stand without the extras that are previously available is a bit of a rip, but the Woodstock disc makes this worth the price of admission alone! Quote
Rosco Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 So they could have just put the Woodstock set on 2-CDs of almost an hour each and I would have picked it up right away. But they included Volunteers, so I didn't get it thinking: 'I already have some of this'. How stupid. Bertrand. Pretty much my reaction when I saw the Sly set (with Stand, which I already have three times, thanks). I will pick it up eventually, though. Quote
Hot Ptah Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 thank somebody's god I was smoking jazz dope in those years. There's worse rock dope. JA was always inconsistent, though--to my ears, anyway. I never liked their Woodstock performances much. I think that they are one of those bands that did better in the studio. Quote
felser Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 thank somebody's god I was smoking jazz dope in those years. There's worse rock dope. JA was always inconsistent, though--to my ears, anyway. I never liked their Woodstock performances much. I think that they are one of those bands that did better in the studio. Vocally, they were far superior in the studio. They also used studio effects very well (especially on the ...Baxter's album). No denying they were inconsistent, but when they were on all cyclinders (with Marty Balin being a key), they were amazing. Their "Wooden Ships" is still heart-stopping for me 40 years later, just to site one prime example. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 Winters does this long blues on a Fender 12 String that has to be heard to be believed. A landmark performance. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 Winters does this long blues on a Fender 12 String that has to be heard to be believed. A landmark performance. That's my main complaint about the "white blues-ers", they thought it was a guitar form when it was a vocal art. Back to square one for me. Quote
jazzbo Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) Well, in my opinion it was both and it became both. And the "white blurs-ers" felt more comfortable creating a guitar art form. Johnny like Robert Johnson, Bind Willie Johnson, B. B. King and many others was both a storytelling vocalist and master guitarist. It's just different. I don't really like The post Nessa AEC stuff at all, and not all the Nessa AEC. But it was a music form taking in a direction. Edited August 3, 2009 by jazzbo Quote
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