Carmell Jones and Randy Weston Selects in "Running Low"

[BruceH]

The Carmell Jones set is essential imo.

I must agree.

So is the Weston.

[sal]

I like both sets very much. The Jones is incredible...it was a real eye opener. I'm not crazy about the material on the third disc of the Weston set, but the material on the first two discs is essential.

[papsrus]

Ordered both ... darn you people anyways.

[Quincy]

Ordered both ... darn you people anyways.

You'll be very happy that you did!

[B. Goren.]

Ordered both ... darn you people anyways.

You'll be very happy that you did!

[Hardbopjazz]

Both are worth having. If I had to pick one over the other it would the the Randy Weston.

When they go OOP, you may still find them at retailers for a while. I know both sets are at J&R Music World in NYC.

[John Tapscott]

Got my Weston yesterday. I like it a lot. The music is strong and engaging. Looking forward to my second listen.

It's probably been pointed out before, but the photo on pg 16 of the booket is of Weston and trombonist Quentin Jackson (not Budd Johnson).

[mikeweil]

The Carmell Jones Set arrived here this morning -excellent music indeed! Perfect companion to the OOP Gerald Wilson box, BTW.

Special thanks are due to Chuck Nessa for talking Michael Cuscuna into listening to the folk tunes LP

I had seen Jones live once when he shortly played with old friend Lou Blackburn's Afro-Jazz band, Mombasa. Very nicev trumpet player and good-natured appearance.

[papsrus]

Both sets arrived yesterday in usual speedy fashion. Couldn't be more pleased.

I did notice that the Jones was stamped No. 3711 and the Weston No. 3507. Both are licensed for 5,000 copies, so I would assume, if they are sold in sequence, that their "running low" status is due to the licenses expiring soon on both these sets, rather than the number available getting low. Does Mosaic indicate anywhere on their website when licenses on individual sets expire?

[J.A.W.]

Does Mosaic indicate anywhere on their website when licenses on individual sets expire?

Nope.

[Ron S]

I did notice that the Jones was stamped No. 3711 and the Weston No. 3507. Both are licensed for 5,000 copies, so I would assume, if they are sold in sequence, that their "running low" status is due to the licenses expiring soon on both these sets, rather than the number available getting low.

As verified with Mosaic several years ago, the big boxes are sold in sequence, but the Selects are not (in fact, the newer Selects aren't even individually numbered).

[papsrus]

I did notice that the Jones was stamped No. 3711 and the Weston No. 3507. Both are licensed for 5,000 copies, so I would assume, if they are sold in sequence, that their "running low" status is due to the licenses expiring soon on both these sets, rather than the number available getting low.

As verified with Mosaic several years ago, the big boxes are sold in sequence, but the Selects are not (in fact, the newer Selects aren't even individually numbered).

Thanks. It was an idle curiosity. I've never noticed, do they ever say that a license on a big box is set to expire on X-date, rather than just categorize it as "running low?" Might be helpful for a buyer who wants to prioritize things. But maybe there's a legal or proprietary reason that they would avoid doing so?

[Ron S]

I did notice that the Jones was stamped No. 3711 and the Weston No. 3507. Both are licensed for 5,000 copies, so I would assume, if they are sold in sequence, that their "running low" status is due to the licenses expiring soon on both these sets, rather than the number available getting low.

As verified with Mosaic several years ago, the big boxes are sold in sequence, but the Selects are not (in fact, the newer Selects aren't even individually numbered).

Thanks. It was an idle curiosity. I've never noticed, do they ever say that a license on a big box is set to expire on X-date, rather than just categorize it as "running low?" Might be helpful for a buyer who wants to prioritize things. But maybe there's a legal or proprietary reason that they would avoid doing so?

No, as Hans indicated, Mosaic never publicly reveals exactly when a particular license is due to expire. They also never indicate the reason--i.e., either expiring license or exhaustion of the authorized run--a particular set is "running low" or in "last chance." Presumably, this is proprietary information that, for marketing reasons, they don't want to reveal.

[papsrus]

Makes sense. Thanks.

[Rooster_Ties]

I had seen Jones live once when he shortly played with old friend Lou Blackburn's Afro-Jazz band, Mombasa. Very nicev trumpet player and good-natured appearance.

LOVE those first two Mombasa albums, and interesting to hear that Carmell had played with them (even if for just a gig or two).

[Tom 1960]

Just got off the phone with Mosaic and placed an order for the Weston Select. Based on the many positive reviews here, I'm sure I'm going to enjoy this. Thanks one and all.

[Ron S]

Carmell Jones has now been moved from "Running Low" to "Last Chance."

Edited August 31, 2009 by Ron S

[mjzee]

I'd been on the fence for awhile about the Carmell, but seeing it hit Last Chance, I went for it. Just an instinctual thing. I wonder whether I'll do the same once the Weston hits Last Chance.

[sidewinder]

Good move !

[Tom 1960]

I'd been on the fence for awhile about the Carmell, but seeing it hit Last Chance, I went for it. Just an instinctual thing. I wonder whether I'll do the same once the Weston hits Last Chance.

I think you'll be quite happy with your purchase.

[BFrank]

You won't hate it.

[mjzee]

Got my Carmell Jones today. I don't hate it already!

[Chuck Nessa]

Remember to thank me for the Harold Land Folk Music date.

[mjzee]

Remember to thank me for the Harold Land Folk Music date.

I was going to make some pithy, witty comment to that effect (or at least attempt to), but then saw that Mike Weil beat me to it.

For those who don't have the set (nyah, nyah), this is from Michael Cuscuna's booklet notes:

Harold Land's Jazz Impressions of Folk Music, the final album in this collection, was recorded by Imperial, an independent label that dabbled in jazz from time to time. These July '63 sessions were the last recorded small group collaboration by Land and Carmell Jones (they would appear on Gerald Wilson's exquisite Portraits at the end of the year). As a young record buyer in 1963, I avoided this album like the plague. Every time I looked at the tunes, The Kingston Trio ran through my head. It wasn't until about 10 years later that Chuck Nessa insisted I listen to it, promising that the soloing was first-class. And he was right.

BTW, does anyone have a scan of the Harold Land cover?

[Chas]

BTW, does anyone have a scan of the Harold Land cover?