Hardbopjazz Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) This thread is started based upon Micheal Weiss's suggestion from the other thread on "artists with great careers but never really composed much." Today I listened to 3 Tadd Dameron CDs 1. The Dameron Band (Featuring Fats Navarro) 2. Mating Call 3. The Magic Touch of Tadd Dameron Number 3, The Magic Touch of Tadd Dameron really shows Tadd as a great composer and arranger. There doesn't appear to be many session with Tadd as a leader, but he did compose some wonderful tunes. Edited June 9, 2009 by Hardbopjazz Quote
bertrand Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Kenny Dorham never seems to be mentioned, but I find his compositions stunning and highly original. Bertrand. Quote
jazztrain Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Tom McIntosh. I distinctly remember seeing musicians like Tommy Flanagan, Milt Jackson, and perhaps James Moody, among others who always seemed to play at least one of his tunes. Andrew Hill! Super Genius Quote
poetrylover3 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Jimmy Heath! I also agree about Tadd Dameron. He wrote many beautiful melodies such as "On A Misty Night" that are seldom recorded. Quote
felser Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Tom McIntosh. I distinctly remember seeing musicians like Tommy Flanagan, Milt Jackson, and perhaps James Moody, among others who always seemed to play at least one of his tunes. McIntosh is a really good choice. Also, Billy Harper, Charles Tolliver, Gigi Gryce ("Minority" alone would be enough to make him an all-time great). And, as well-known as he is, Wayne Shorter's writing in the 60's is so stunning it still isn't fully appreciated (and the same applies for Herbie Hancock, though I think for Shorter even moreso). And I'll take abuse for this one, but Chuck Mangione did some great writing in the early 70's up through "Land of Make Believe" before the sell-out. Edited June 9, 2009 by felser Quote
Dan Gould Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 I can see Tom McIntosh and Jimmy Heath being listed, Kenny Dorham to a lesser extent, but can't for the life of me understand how Tadd Dameron or Gigi Gryce could be said to not get the recognition they deserve. What recognition they get (and to me its entirely commensurate with their considerable talent) is entirely predicated on their compositions. Quote
Free For All Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Cal Massey Sarah Cassey (no rhyme intended) Quote
JSngry Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 Cal Massey indeed! and Cecil Tayor (yes, those are compositions) Quote
paul secor Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 I like a lot of Archie Shepp's compositions on his early records (& on Marion Brown's Three for Shepp). He seemed to give up on composing as the years went on. Quote
michel1969 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Obviously : Lili Boulanger Edited June 9, 2009 by Michel Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted June 9, 2009 Report Posted June 9, 2009 While he's probably not underrated around these parts -- in the wider (jazz) world I suspect Herman Blount doesn't get anywhere near the cred as a composer, as he probably should. (Probably didn't help that he was from Saturn.) Quote
clifford_thornton Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 Mike Osborne. Harry Miller. Mal Waldron. Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 Lots of "deserving" names mentioned already. Of course, it's all relative... Most folks on this forum know Henry Threadgill, but, as Chuck points out, he still deserves wider recognition. Julius Hemphill Bob Moses Abdullah Ibrahim Steve Coleman Daniel Barry Up 'n' comers: Darcy James Argue Rob Mazurek David Schumacher Matt Ulery JC Sanford Quote
BruceH Posted June 10, 2009 Report Posted June 10, 2009 Has Benny Golson gotten the recognition he deserves? Also: Eddie Sauter. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Greg Osby (at least for a while there), and Jason Moran. Quote
ejp626 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Greg Osby (at least for a while there), and Jason Moran. I guess one question is whether we expect other people to play these "tunes," and for the most part I wouldn't expect it with the originals from Osby and Moran, though they can be very nice pieces. Now is that because they are too personal, too tied to the performer? Is it because everyone needs their own originals and if they cover anything it will be a "true" standard? Is it because recording opportunities to say nothing of gigs are so much harder to come by? Anyway, in the same group as Osby and Moran, I would put Stefon Harris, Vijay Iyer and Rudresh Mahanthappa. Really interesting pieces but not music that I would expect to become a jazz standard in the traditional sense. Quote
Peter Friedman Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Sonny Rollins He is greatly appreciated as a player, but people often don't think of him as a composer. Here are some of his better known compositions. Oleo Doxy Airegin Valse Hot Sonnymoon For Two Pent-Up House St. Thomas Tenor Madness Paul's Pal Quote
B. Clugston Posted June 11, 2009 Report Posted June 11, 2009 Kenny Dorham never seems to be mentioned, but I find his compositions stunning and highly original. Bertrand. Agreed. Kenny Dorham is the first name that came to my mind. Also, Freddie Hubbard wasn't quite as under-recognized, but he wrote some stunning compositions during the Blue Note days. Quote
flat5 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Vince Wallace has written good unique tunes that are fun to play. Howard Small wrote many good jazz tunes that were respected by people who played them. Edited June 12, 2009 by flat5 Quote
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