Anyone know of what is forthcoming from Mosaic?

[Bol]

Anyone know of what is forthcoming from Mosaic?

[tranemonk]

Artie Shaw boxed set out later this year.... that's all I know...

[J.A.W.]

Nothing's definite yet and, with the current economic climate, don't count on anything anytime soon.

Edited June 3, 2009 by J.A.W.

[ghost of miles]

Artie Shaw boxed set out later this year.... that's all I know...

Artie Shaw? Any idea what the proposed set would cover?

[tranemonk]

nope... sorry

Artie Shaw boxed set out later this year.... that's all I know...

Artie Shaw? Any idea what the proposed set would cover?

[gmonahan]

Anyone know of what is forthcoming from Mosaic?

The Duke Ellington Brunswick/Columbia set should be coming out at some point. I think they've been working on it a while.

greg mo

[clifford_thornton]

"The Complete Palm Recordings of Jef Gilson"

[J.A.W.]

Anyone know of what is forthcoming from Mosaic?

The Duke Ellington Brunswick/Columbia set should be coming out at some point. I think they've been working on it a while.

greg mo

As I said, with the current economic climate it doesn't seem likely anything will happen soon.

See also this post.

[Matthew]

nope... sorry

Artie Shaw boxed set out later this year.... that's all I know...

Artie Shaw? Any idea what the proposed set would cover?

Is it too much to ask that everything be in that one; the first big band, all the other big band sides, and the "final recordings." Probably would be ten or eleven cds? I would be so all over that it wouldn't be funny!!!!!!!!

[Dave James]

I thought Mosaic had committed to a big box of Ahmad Jamal. I even recall seeing a list of the albums that were to be included. Did I miss something? Has this one gone by the boards? If so, that's a definite bummer.

Up over and out.

[tranemonk]

Oh yeah.. I kinda forgot about that one too.... Hmmmm...... :unsure:

I thought Mosaic had committed to a big box of Ahmad Jamal. I even recall seeing a list of the albums that were to be included. Did I miss something? Has this one gone by the boards? If so, that's a definite bummer.

Up over and out.

[Chuck Nessa]

They (all of us) need incoming funds to finance new releases. You are part of the solution or problem. Folks are in bad shape out there.

[J.A.W.]

I thought Mosaic had committed to a big box of Ahmad Jamal. I even recall seeing a list of the albums that were to be included. Did I miss something? Has this one gone by the boards? If so, that's a definite bummer.

Up over and out.

It was postponed until 2010. Some of the tapes could not be found. This info was posted in this thread (post #48) months ago.

Edited June 3, 2009 by J.A.W.

[Dave James]

Hans,

Thanks for that update. I had missed it altogether. Needless to say, I hope they are able to make this happen.

Up over and out.

[gmonahan]

Hans,

Thanks for that update. I had missed it altogether. Needless to say, I hope they are able to make this happen.

Up over and out.

Hans wrote me that the Ellington set is also on hold--that they haven't even contracted for the rights yet. Sigh. But hey, if we weren't patient, we'd have all been in the looney bin long ago. 'Course, some of us are already there, but I won't name names!

greg mo

[Guest Bixieland]

Anyone know of what is forthcoming from Mosaic?

The Duke Ellington Brunswick/Columbia set should be coming out at some point. I think they've been working on it a while.

greg mo

Economic climate aside...when (or if) this set gets "announced" I'll be preordering!

[J.A.W.]

As I posted in Ghost's Artie Shaw Mosaic thread I just heard from Mosaic's Scott Wenzel that the Ellington 1930s big-band set is scheduled for release in late 2010.

Edited June 16, 2009 by J.A.W.

[David Ayers]

It's good that this company persists. I'm surprised though that they maintain the gentlemanly high prices at a time of downturn and don't shift stock with some serious price cuts. Much of what they sell is available on advertising supported streaming services so I guess the music owners are not charging too much these days. Even Harrods has blow-out sales. Sony sold their newly remastered Ellington set for about $5 - OK that's deep as discounting goes but isn't there a happy medium? Same goes for other reissue programs. Maybe the collector market is judged to be robust - my sense is that many people have tired of paying for all those reissues. Maybe I am wrong.

[Bol]

This is what I got back from Mosaic about the Ahmad Jamal and Lucky Thompson sets:

"We are still in the midst of tape research. Hopefully if all goes well

sometime early next year for both releases."

[gmonahan]

It's good that this company persists. I'm surprised though that they maintain the gentlemanly high prices at a time of downturn and don't shift stock with some serious price cuts. Much of what they sell is available on advertising supported streaming services so I guess the music owners are not charging too much these days. Even Harrods has blow-out sales. Sony sold their newly remastered Ellington set for about $5 - OK that's deep as discounting goes but isn't there a happy medium? Same goes for other reissue programs. Maybe the collector market is judged to be robust - my sense is that many people have tired of paying for all those reissues. Maybe I am wrong.

I'm afraid they wouldn't persist long if they started slicing prices. Their market is pretty small for these luxurious, expensive-to-produce sets, and my impression is that their overhead is very low. Not much fat there. The sets are mostly aimed at loons like us!

They do occasional sales, and I recently saved about $16 (on the US side of the pond) by ordering the Armstrong set with the free shipping offer. Word today, by the way, that it was shipped!!

greg mo

[Bill B]

Bol, is this" tape research" or "tape search" ?? Several tapes were reported missing .Have these tapes been found ?

[Bol]

I'm afraid that I do not have any more info than what is in the message. What I quoted is exactly what was sent to me.

[David Ayers]

my impression is that their overhead is very low

I think you mean to say that their overhead is *high*. I don't know about that.

They may know from experience that discounting does not increase the revenue stream. I'd have thought that now is the time to give serious discounts a go. The euromosaics which many of us here have bought have frequently been sold for less than half the regular Mosaic price so it can be done.

[Chuck Nessa]

my impression is that their overhead is very low

I think you mean to say that their overhead is *high*. I don't know about that.

They may know from experience that discounting does not increase the revenue stream. I'd have thought that now is the time to give serious discounts a go. The euromosaics which many of us here have bought have frequently been sold for less than half the regular Mosaic price so it can be done.

The "euromosaics" do not have to pay royalties to the owner of the masters. Mosaic does. Mosaic also pays for the research/documentation/design/packaging of the sets. Universal gets all this stuff as part of their deal to allow Mosaic to make the sets and market them.

[David Ayers]

my impression is that their overhead is very low

I think you mean to say that their overhead is *high*. I don't know about that.

They may know from experience that discounting does not increase the revenue stream. I'd have thought that now is the time to give serious discounts a go. The euromosaics which many of us here have bought have frequently been sold for less than half the regular Mosaic price so it can be done.

The "euromosaics" do not have to pay royalties to the owner of the masters. Mosaic does. Mosaic also pays for the research/documentation/design/packaging of the sets. Universal gets all this stuff as part of their deal to allow Mosaic to make the sets and market them.

I guess the license for the euro-issues is granted in lieu of a fee and in return for access to archive materials. The other costs you mention are fixed. The copyright owner pays any royalties due to artists and songwriters out of the licensing fee paid by Mosaic or out of revenue from the sale of the sets they sell. So Mosaic pay a fee to license the material but do not pay the performer/songwriter royalties which are paid by the copyright owner.

The cost to the customer of a Mosaic set is basically a price point. Varying that can affect the revenue stream. My point is that many companies in all areas are reducing prices right now. My underlying point was that these sales at premium prices might never pick up - just a guess really that the bubble has truly burst. It didn't cost more to make five John Patton albums, forty years ago, than it did to make the Lord of the Rings trilogy, but it does cost more to buy hard copies of them in a 3CD box set than it does to buy the set of Lord of the Rings DVDs. That can't *quite* be right. However it costs nothing to listen to streams of all those albums. Hence my other underlying question about levels of royalties paid in different contexts.

PS FWIW it will be worth looking out for bargains on Peterson and (when it comes, assuming it's coming) Armstrong later this year.

Edited June 18, 2009 by David Ayers