flat5 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 "The first reissue of Charlie Parker's "Dial" material (I think, correct me if I'm remembering this wrong) was around 1960, on something called "Baronet."" That's the copy I had. It may have been called "The Early Bird" and had two back to back altos on the cover. or was it front to front? I played it hundreds of times, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMP Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 That's right, "Early Bird." There was a second one called "A Handful of Modern Jazz." The Red Norvo/Parker/Gillespie sides were also on one of the two. Score a big one for the supermarket labels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 "Crown"....didn't they also make a cola? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Those budget labels had their moments. The first reissue of Charlie Parker's "Dial" material (I think, correct me if I'm remembering this wrong) was around 1960, on something called "Baronet." (Hard to believe these Parker recordings were out of print just a few years after his death, but lots of material that we now take for granted in the CD era had disappeared by then.) Through record biz history folks go broke trying to bring great stuff to the public. We are not all major corps. Praise Ross Russell for the Dials and regret all the money he lost. AND don't blame folks like this because your latest whim isn't currently available for download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I can go check it out. Got an address? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 5810 S. Normandie....dude if u do it you gotta take tons of pics for this thread....dont get arrested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat5 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) "There was a second one called "A Handful of Modern Jazz." Yes, I had that one too. A very good sampler! "The Red Norvo/Parker/Gillespie sides were also on one of the two. " Yes the Gillespie one was great. Had small group and big band tracks. On Crown: Did you have the two (rare) Coleman Hawkins records with Thad Jones and Eddie Costa? The jam sessions by GNP? The nice dates by Gerald Wiggins and Sonny Criss? Wardell Graw and Dextor? live concert. I think there was a Chico Hamilton Quintet one. Very good too. Definitely Fred Katz and maybe Paul Horn on that one. I can't recall the others right now. "Score a big one for the supermarket labels!" Indeed. There were very good jazz records for $1.49 at Ralph's Supermarket. I bought tracks of the Duke Ellington (a famous jazz musician) 1940s band with Blanton for that price. Played it many many times. Booker Little's Time... LP. Don't remember the others. Some MetroJazz (?) records. Recorded on 35mm film instead of magnetic tape. Edited June 10, 2009 by flat5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Crown Records was one of many labels that the Bihari brothers owned. Here's some quick info: Modern Records Story Unfortunately for record collectors, these quality releases soon deteriorated when the Biharis started putting all of their energy into the Crown budget album line in 1957. After the initial 25 or so Crown album releases (which were reissues of their earlier Modern and RPM albums), the goal of the Crown line seemed to be "How cheap can you make the record?" The covers were two pieces of thin cardboard held together with the paper cover, with no liner notes, and no record inner paper or plastic sleeves were used. Many had only 10 songs rather than the standard 12. The vinyl on these reissues was thin, and many have manufacturing defects. We have heard that the Biharis even tried to make the vinyl go farther by mixing sand with the vinyl for filler during the pressing process. Whether this is true is debatable, but many Crown albums are so poorly manufactured that they may as well have sand on their surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) the sheer VARIETY crown has to offer makes it a very FUN label to collect.......i dont know if im gonna get some west coast jazz, or music for your next "Hawaii" themed party. or maybe bb king singin the blues, or some awesome hillbilly silde guitar. Even classical. im telling you, these Bihrari bros make lion and wolff look like sonny n cher! and you know the funniest thing, is to this day no one on this or any e-mail/jazz board etc has been able to shred one iota of anything to do with anything about Modern, Crown , and asso labels, etc...and im not talking about the damn bsnpubs record discog pages--- i am sure some of you somewhere have had dealings w/ this- GOOD RECORD IM LISTENING TO RECORDED IN HOLLYWOOD BUT NOT BY CROWN BUT LIKE A 90'S VERSION OF CROWN: i dont know, but its awesome: its some 1978 CAL TJADER direct-to-disc mastered digitally to red book standard cd-format// LASERLIGHT// U KNOW, like those cds u see at TJ-Maxx when youre shoppin with your old lady, but this ones cal tjader, guess whos in the band? Frank Rosolino-- is this one of the last sessions F.R did? also present: Gary Foster, or should i say alto present lol finally Ponchos rockin the congs, whole bumch of otehrs too BTW BTW IM GONNA SHARE A CROWN-SECRET NOW hey you guys, im gonna let u in: Crown, was doing paste-together supermarket records....**beFORE** CROWN::: i dont know where the hell it is right now, but i have a jazz themed budget priced supermarket crown-esque lp, mood music of some sort a la jackie gleason....and it VISUALLY LOOKS just like a CROWN-styled lp....but guess what, its not-- its clearly on MODERN- (crowns pred-accessor) Jacket, + Lp labels both say modern on them Edited June 10, 2009 by chewy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 The very first jazz record that I ever bought was a Dave Brubeck Crown record, at a Firestone store in Gladewater, Texas. It was probably December 19, 1970. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 see, everybody loves crown! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Their big band "tribute" lps are often quite good & stocked with name players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 its a great story. wish i knew it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Damn, chewy; after reading this thread, you've got me curious about Crown. Good thing I'm broke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) and you know the funniest thing, is to this day no one on this or any e-mail/jazz board etc has been able to shred one iota of anything to do with anything about Modern, Crown , and asso labels, etc...and im not talking about the damn bsnpubs record discog pages--- i am sure some of you somewhere have had dealings w/ this- That's only because you've gone to the wrong place. In R&B and C&W circles (i.e. those areas that made up the BULK of the "popular" music releases on Crown) the fate of the Crown label, the Biharis's dealings and the whole range of LPs have been debated and researched over and over again for a LONG time, and even minor 1st/2nd/3rd pressing differences of this or that LP are being explored there with an almost esoteric intensity that sometimes makes Blue Note collectors' label/pressing obsessions seem pale by comparison! :D BTW BTW IM GONNA SHARE A CROWN-SECRET NOW hey you guys, im gonna let u in: Crown, was doing paste-together supermarket records....**beFORE** CROWN::: i dont know where the hell it is right now, but i have a jazz themed budget priced supermarket crown-esque lp, mood music of some sort a la jackie gleason....and it VISUALLY LOOKS just like a CROWN-styled lp....but guess what, its not-- its clearly on MODERN- (crowns pred-accessor) Jacket, + Lp labels both say modern on them And now? Not unknown, that ... I've a couple of Crown pressings that are exact duplicates (except for the lable and catalog number) of earlier Modern LPs, and I also have original MODERN LPs that also existed as slightly later Crown pressings (e.g. the one by Vido Musso with that lady in the Jag on the cover that makes it into most LP sleeve art books ). Edited June 10, 2009 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 really Big Beat Steve? what can you share w/ us about the fate of Crown and diff. debate topics about crown and crown related lps from the RnB and CnW forums....can you also point me in the right 'link' direction? wow, thats really interesting i had no idea anyone cared........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) Sorry but that's going to be difficult at present. A good deal of in-depth articles on the subject that I have come across in recent times is in GERMAN-language music mags focusing on 50s R'n'R (the REAL R'n'R, not the latter-day "Rock" that no longer "rolled" ) and 40s/50s R&B. They drew from U.S./English-language sources and input, of course, but offhand I don't have any really in-depth online link. All I can say is that this field HAS been explored extensively and there ARE people out there who leave no stone unturned when it comes to the Crown conglomerate (at least as far as their musical preferences - i.e. R&B and C&W - is concerned). Edited June 10, 2009 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 All I can say is JAZZ HEAT, BONGO BEAT!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 i wonder if anyones gone to visit it before me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I didn't know what to contribute to this thread (the only Crown LP's I ever had were beat to hell, and thus sounded even worse than they did when new)... so I tried a google search and found this cover... ...and it appears to me that the decorative room-dividing custom interior design element she's standing next to is not a decorative room-dividing custom interior design element at all, but... ...a George Nelson Platform Bench (designed for the Herman Miller Company in 1946), solid birch (primavera finish) with ebonized legs (her left hand is holding one of the legs). So, just letting you guys know (after all these years) you were HAD by this photographer/designer. Btw, she looks good with the fur and eveything, but I want that bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I didn't know what to contribute to this thread (the only Crown LP's I ever had were beat to hell, and thus sounded even worse than they did when new)... so I tried a google search and found this cover... ...and it appears to me that the decorative room-dividing custom interior design element she's standing next to is not a decorative room-dividing custom interior design element at all, but... ...a George Nelson Platform Bench (designed for the Herman Miller Company in 1946), solid birch (primavera finish) with ebonized legs (her left hand is holding one of the legs). So, just letting you guys know (after all these years) you were HAD by this photographer/designer. Btw, she looks good with the fur and eveything, but I want that bench. If you sat on it for too long wouldn't it leave lines on your butt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Those budget labels had their moments. The first reissue of Charlie Parker's "Dial" material (I think, correct me if I'm remembering this wrong) was around 1960, on something called "Baronet." (Hard to believe these Parker recordings were out of print just a few years after his death, but lots of material that we now take for granted in the CD era had disappeared by then.) Through record biz history folks go broke trying to bring great stuff to the public. We are not all major corps. Praise Ross Russell for the Dials and regret all the money he lost. AND don't blame folks like this because your latest whim isn't currently available for download. Ross Russell is one of my heroes. And you'll always be a major corp. to ME, Chuck. (I mean that in a good way.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I didn't know what to contribute to this thread (the only Crown LP's I ever had were beat to hell, and thus sounded even worse than they did when new)... so I tried a google search and found this cover... ...and it appears to me that the decorative room-dividing custom interior design element she's standing next to is not a decorative room-dividing custom interior design element at all, but... ...a George Nelson Platform Bench (designed for the Herman Miller Company in 1946), solid birch (primavera finish) with ebonized legs (her left hand is holding one of the legs). So, just letting you guys know (after all these years) you were HAD by this photographer/designer. Btw, she looks good with the fur and eveything, but I want that bench. If you sat on it for too long wouldn't it leave lines on your butt? Hmm... good question. Ours has a cushion on it, but you rarely see them with cushions. They were also designed to be used as supports for cabinets with doors or drawers, but I have seen them from time to time in public buildings, with no cushions, so... I dunno. Anyway, aren't you glad you asked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Lines on butts can be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim R Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Lines on butts can be interesting. Yeah, like on that Max Bennett Bethlehem LP cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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