chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 rca victor 'popular collector's issue series' A treasury of immortal performances fats waller plays n sings LPT 1001 i have no idea whats goin on w/ this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 ENJOY THE MUSIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrdlu Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Chewy, I've got all the Victor Fats and it's all great. I second what Lon said. Do you have a track listing for that LP? I had some of the 60s Victor LPs - they were billed as RCA Vintage. Their issue caused the loss of some of the 78 masters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 jazzbo- i cant stop listening to tango in the night- i need help shyrlku: how did the reissues destory the 78 masters? i dont undertsnad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmonahan Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Chewy, I've got all the Victor Fats and it's all great. I second what Lon said. Do you have a track listing for that LP? I had some of the 60s Victor LPs - they were billed as RCA Vintage. Their issue caused the loss of some of the 78 masters. All the Vintage series albums were prefixed LPV. Cool series, often poor vinyl, occasional skipping problems. greg mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 rca victor 'popular collector's issue series' A treasury of immortal performances fats waller plays n sings LPT 1001 i have no idea whats goin on w/ this.... Not weird at all, just another example of the helter-skelter unorganized piecemeal reissue policy of the majors in the late 50s and 60s. Throw a platter with 10 or 12 or 14 or 16 tracks on the market just like that, without regard to previously and/or concurrently issued tracks, and still the collector will probably have been happy. After all back then many issues were marketed on domestic markets only; U.S. or U.K. or Continental European issues did not nearly as often find their way onto other markets as they do today so a lot of duplication/triplication/quadruplication of reissued titles occurred (even with releases issued within a couple of years on one and the same market). Of course international exchanges did not exist ot the extent they exist today either. Enjoy the music but if you want to have the music in a more cohesive/comprehensive fashion then you will eventually end up with having all the tracks on other reissues too (even if you limit yourself to older vinyl only). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I LOVE YOU BIG BEAT STEVE, thats some quality rca victor inside-info that i was after! i should move to germany, all the coolest things come from there: Big Beat Steve, target CDs, Sausages, Porn i dont mean to dillute this seriously good RCA victor-releated board-topic: so youre saying they basically did like a radio-playlist type thing lp, what ever they thought was groovy... and just pressed those? only when later like in the late 60s, they were able to do multiple lp sets? my new Q: how many Fats Waller sides were lost forever, cause of the implosion. i dont mean just lost forever because the metal parts are gone, but i mean lost forever-- cannot be dubbed from any printed lp cause its truly lost forever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I LOVE YOU BIG BEAT STEVE, thats some quality rca victor inside-info that i was after! i should move to germany, all the coolest things come from there: Big Beat Steve, target CDs, Sausages, Porn i dont mean to dillute this seriously good RCA victor-releated board-topic: so youre saying they basically did like a radio-playlist type thing lp, what ever they thought was groovy... and just pressed those? only when later like in the late 60s, they were able to do multiple lp sets? my new Q: how many Fats Waller sides were lost forever, cause of the implosion. i dont mean just lost forever because the metal parts are gone, but i mean lost forever-- cannot be dubbed from any printed lp cause its truly lost forever.... Just to get this straight, Chewy: I am no expert on RCA reissue policies, I just tried to sum up some general observations from what I've come across in the way of older LPs and from what I've seen in older record catalogs. What I meant to say was that in the 50s and 60s truly coherent and comprehensive reissue programs of older jazz (swing era and before) were MUCH, MUCH rarer (if not to say inexistent) compared to what happened from the 70s onwards. The collectors who did not have access to the 78s had to make do with whatever they were able to get, and since a lot had been out of print since the days of 78 rpms they of course were glad to get their hands on, say, a 16-track LP compilation or a couple of 4-track EPs by their favorite swing-era artist. Then maybe another LP by the same orchestra or artist came along somewhat later in a different "reissue series" (in the case of RCA, for example, Victor may have run one scheme, Camden may have run another) and of course there were bound to be duplications and overlaps. Actually reviewers in jazz mags used to complain about this a fair bit, their key quibble being that while a new reissue LP was quite welcome it was a pity that the same core of tracks tended to get re-reissued ever so often whereas other (not any lesser) tracks tended to get overlooked constantly. A familiar complaint ... Of course there were exceptions. The owners of the Decca catalog used to run quite thoughtfully programmed LP reissues in the 60s on their (black and gold) European Brunswick label, for example, in the mid-60s. And 2-LP sets DID exist right from the 50s but they were indeed much less common than from the late 60s/early 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 This Muggsy Spanier also claims to be LPT-1001 http://cgi.ebay.com.my/Muggsy-Spanier-Immo...emZ270385201931 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Uh oh ... now I see which RCA series the LP mentioned by Chewy comes from - if THIS is what the LPT series was (The "treasury of immortal performances" blurb rang a bell but I admit I did not bother to check at home). I have a Bunny Berigan LP from that series. Picked it up very cheaply at one time just for its "50s pressing" status but it did look like a slapdash affair to me, not many tracks (not more than 10), and the track programming looked like this series was just aimed at casual listeners who'd like to revisit the swing era (only some 20 years past at the time these LPs were issued) without getting too deeply involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Surely they weren't all LPT-1001? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) I've found Google hits of LPT-1001 which relate to both Fats Waller and Muggsy Spanier so there IS some double numbering going here, it seems, but that Bunny Berigan LP from this is LPT-1003. (Correction: The Booby Sherwood LP I mentioned is not on RCA at all) Edited June 10, 2009 by Big Beat Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 Bobby Sherwood was Billy Sherwood's father!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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