John L Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 The story goes that, unfortunately, in the prime of his career in the late 60s and early 70s, Warne Marsh was able to make few recordings to document the state of his art at the time. There is only Ne Plus Ultra from 1969. Right? Well, according to the Warne Marsh discography, Revelation continued to record Marsh very extensively between 1969-1971, but released virtually none of it. Will we ever be able to hear this, what would probably be the only comprehensive documentation of the art of Warne Marsh at this time????? Yea, I am talking about a potentially spectacular contribution for Mosaic records. 69-0914 WARNE MARSH QUARTET. “Ne Plus Ultra”. ‘Herrick Chapel Lounge’, Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA., September 14, 1969. Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d; . 1a You Stepped Out Of A Dream take 1 ? 1b YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 2 9:03 2 How About You ? 3a Two Part Invention No 13 (J.S. Bach) take 1 ? 3b Two Part Invention No 13 take 2 ? 3c Two Part Invention No 13 take 3 (inc.) ? 3d Two Part Invention No 13 take 4 ? 4 Featherbed (unsure/maybe mixed up w. Smog Eyes (69-1025/item 3) ? Note: Entry according to Revelation files; before item –3a a false start was recorded. Not known which take of “Invention” (0:59) is used on the CD issues. 1a,2,3? Uniss. 1b, R Revelation 12 1b,3? CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603 69-1025 WARNE MARSH QUARTET. 'Herrick Chapel Lounge', Occidental College', Los Angeles, CA., October 25, 1969. Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:15 2 LENNIE'S PENNIES edited 4:21 3 SMOG EYES ? 4 TOUCH AND GO 15:22 5 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM take 3 ? 6 317 EAST 32ND STREET 8:15 1,2,4,6 R Revelation 12 1,2,4,6 CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603 3,5 Revelation unissued 1-0000 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER – GARY FOSTER. Los Angeles, early 1971 Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p; Paul West, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 JUST FRIENDS 13:07 2 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:55 3 FEATHERBED 4:46 all PR unissued Revelation date 71-0111 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER. 'The Ice House', 24 Mentor Avenue, Pasadena, CA., January 11, 1971. Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss; Dave Parlato, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 317 EAST 32ND STREET ? 2 TWO NOT ONE ? 3 FUZZ BLUES ? 4 KARY'S TRANCE ? 5 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW ? 6 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE ? 7 BACH 2 PART INVENTION ? 8 FEATHERBED ? 9 HOW ABOUT YOU ? 10 CONFUSION IN DALLAS ? 11 BACKGROUND MUSIC ? all Revelation unissued 71-0809 WARNE MARSH & GARY FOSTER. 'The Ice House', 24 Mentor Avenue, Pasadena, CA., August 9, 1971. Warne Marsh, ts; Gary Foster, as, ss *; Dave Koonse, g; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 FEATHERBED 9:42 2 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW 9:37 3 ROUND MIDNIGHT 6:51 4 FUZZ BLUES * 8:14 5 SUBCONSCIOUS-LEE 7:58 6 ALL ABOUT YOU 6:24 7 LENNIE'S PENNIES inc. 3:53 all PR Unissued Revelation recording 1a,2,3? Uniss. 1b, R Revelation 12 1b,3? CD Crown BRJ-4111 : hat ART CD-6063 : Hatology CD-603 71-0822+ WARNE MARSH. A Giant Passes. 'The Gilded Cage', Rosemead Boulevard, East Pasadena, CA., August 22 and / or 26, 1971. Warne Marsh, ts; Ron Hoopes, p ; probably Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 LULLABY OF THE LEAVES (a,b) 9:00 2 IT'S YOU OR NO ONE (b) 6:30 3 DAY BY DAY (a,b) 8:40 4 I LOVE YOU (a,b) 7:25 5 SONNYMOON FOR TWO (sign-off) ? Note: Tunes labelled (a) were intended to be issued after Marsh' death under the title 'A Giant Passes'; labelled (b) under the title 'At The Gilded Cage'. (see also 72-0600) all Revelation unissued 72-0509 WARNE MARSH - CLARE FISCHER - GARY FOSTER. 'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA., May 9, 1972. Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, org (11,12); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU 8:26 2 BLUESY ROUGE 10:09 3 IN A MELLOTONE 11:15 4 YESTERDAYS 7:50 5 KARY'S TRANCE 10:00 6 SQUARE THEME Fischer plays polka beat against horns (play "Donna Lee" ) 0:35 7 I GOT IT BAD AND THAT AIN'T GOOD 7:00 8 STELLA BY STARLIGHT 12:00 9 THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER YOU 10:00 10 IN A SENTIMENTAL MOOD 2:38 11 CHEROKEE 10:00 12 YOU'VE CHANGED 10:00 13 WATCH WHAT HAPPENS Marsh out 9:00 14 JUST FRIENDS ? 1-4 R Revelation 17 others unissued; entry according to Revelation files 72-0529 WARNE MARSH - GARY FOSTER. 'The Ice House', 24 Mentor Avenue, Pasadena, CA., May 29, 1972. Gary Foster, as; Warne Marsh, ts; ; Frank De LaRosa, b; John Tirabasso, d. 1 KARY'S TRANCE * ? 2 LENNIE'S PENNIES * ? 3 317 EAST 32ND STREET * ? 4 YOU STEPPED OUT OF A DREAM * ? 5 FEATHERBED * ? 6 BODY AND SOUL * ? 7 TWO NOT ONE ? 8 ALL THE THINGS YOU ARE ? 9 BACH TWO PART INVENTION NO.13 Marsh + Foster only ? 10 TWO NOT ONE ? 11 IF YOU COULD SEE ME NOW Foster out ? 12 CONFUSION IN DALLAS ? 13 I LIKE NEW YORK IN JUNE (or How About You / Chamberlain) ? 14 FUZZ BLUES * ? 15 BACKGROUND MUSIC * ? Note: titles with * probably duplicates of previous entry. all Revelation unissued; entry according to William Hardy (Revelation Records) ♦ 72-0600 WARNE MARSH – CLARE FISCHER 'Clare Fischer's Studio', Van Nuys, CA. unknown date, June 1972 Warne Marsh, ts; Clare Fischer, p, el. P (7,8); Paul Ruhland, b; John Tirabasso, d 1 THAT OLD FEELING 7:05 2 STRIKE UP THE BAND 8:46 3 INDIAN SUMMER 10:17 4 THE MORE I SEE YOU 3:53 5 ISRAEL 5:55 6 THE BEST THING FOR YOU 8:15 7 AFTER YOU'VE GONE 11:48 8 THIS CAN'T BE LOVE inc. 2:54 all PR unissued Revelation recording. Quote
JSngry Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 I'd pay for an option to make a pre-order! Quote
jazzbo Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 I'd be interested in this as well. John, have you sent this in as a suggestion to Mosaic? Quote
John L Posted May 11, 2009 Author Report Posted May 11, 2009 Lon, I haven't yet, but I will. Who knows? Miracles sometimes happen. Quote
ghost of miles Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 Perhaps somebody will e-mail them this thread... Quote
Free For All Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 Nice idea! Gary Foster is definitely an artist deserving wider recognition IMO. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 Be warned there are some legal issues here. Might be difficult to untangle. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted May 11, 2009 Report Posted May 11, 2009 Well, if they can untangle I'd also be into it. Gary Foster is a good player, too. Quote
Quincy Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 (edited) Well just in case they notice the thread, add another who's interested. And having recently picked up the Pacific Jazz Piano Trio Select the inclusion of Clare Fischer on some of the sessions adds even more interest. Edited May 12, 2009 by Quincy Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Be warned there are some legal issues here. Might be difficult to untangle. Such as? Quote
John L Posted May 12, 2009 Author Report Posted May 12, 2009 Be warned there are some legal issues here. Might be difficult to untangle. Such as? I imagine that the two main issues would be 1) Who now owns the copyright? 2) How much money would they demand for it? There could also be other issues, for example if Warne Marsh himself was against releasing this material for one reason or another. Quote
DukeCity Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Nice idea! Gary Foster is definitely an artist deserving wider recognition IMO. +1 Bassist David Parlato should also be more widely available on record. I had the pleasure of playing and recording with him over several years here in NM. He recently retired from playing (he's taken up painting as his creative outlet) but is still doing some teaching. Great idea for a set, legal wrangling aside! Quote
Cliff Englewood Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 It's a nice idea but I can't see it happening in the current climate, or even the climate of 5 to 10 years ago, when these kind of things seemed possible. Quote
paul secor Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I'd go for it if it could happen. Not holding my breath, tho. Quote
king ubu Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I'd definitely get this if it came out! Quote
.:.impossible Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I still need to hear Ne Plus Ultra! I would also buy the set. Quote
sthomas Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 I'd definitely get this if it came out! Me too! Quote
Cliff Englewood Posted May 12, 2009 Report Posted May 12, 2009 Hey, I'd buy it if it came out, I'd buy "The Complete 1950's Recordings of Warne Marsh" if it came out, but that's not going to happen either. Quote
John L Posted May 13, 2009 Author Report Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) As can be seen fro the discography, there were plans to release some of this material after Marsh's death under the title "A Giant Passes." I hope that the reason why this didn't materialize was not due to serious legal problems of the sort that Chuck is worried about. Another problem is that Mosaic might feel sceptical about their ability to sell obscure Warne Marsh recordings. But there is certainly a solid hard core of fans who would buy a set like that without any questions asked. Edited May 13, 2009 by John L Quote
kenny weir Posted May 13, 2009 Report Posted May 13, 2009 I wouldn't want to equate Marsh with Gerry Mulligan, but ... I read somewhere (here? BNBB? certainly a BB) that Michael Cuscuna was surprised that the Mulligan Concert Band set was the quickest selling of any Mosaic. I'm not saying this Marsh set would sell as quick! But there's at least anecdotal evidence that Mosaic gives some weight to the passions of its customers and that those responsible for deciding what sets get the green light are unlikely to think they have undebatable wisdom on the matter. The current financial climate doesn't help, though. Quote
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