Archie Shepp - Bill Dixon Quartet Savoy 1962

[robviti]

This was the first leader date for both Shepp and Dixon. It's short but very good. Has it ever been remastered and reissued?

Archie Shepp - Bill Dixon Quartet

Bill Dixon (tp) Archie Shepp (ts) Don Moore (b -1,2,4) Reggie Workman (b -3) Paul Cohen (d -1,2,4) Howard McRae (d -3)

NYC, October, 1962

1. 63-114 Trio Savoy MG 12178

2. 63-115 Quartet -

3. 63-116 Peace -

4. 63-117 Somewhere -

* Archie Shepp-Bill Dixon Quartet (Savoy MG 12178) LP

also released on BYG as "Peace" (BYG 529101) LP

[Chuck Nessa]

No. Dixon leased the tape to Savoy and supposedly reclaimed it. Very nice date. I bought it as a new release while in college.

[clifford_thornton]

It's excellent, indeed. I find his work since more engaging, but on its own terms this is a very strong LP. I'm not sure he even still has the tapes, as a lot of reels of his earlier work have been lost (Silva/Dixon duos, for starters).

[Chuck Nessa]

Not sure he ever "soloed" better. His vision of music in general may have developed but not his solos in my estimation. He packed more stuff into a shorter time back then. YMDV.

[clifford_thornton]

Yeah, you might be right. At least as far as more "traditional" dates/contexts go. Can't be a "shrike" all the time.

[JohnS]

Wonderful record, one for the desert island. It opened my ears to some free-er sounds. I still have my original copy bought at the time.

[clifford_thornton]

It's funny, I gave it a spin last night for the first time in a while and his playing is like night and day from what he's done in subsequent years. At the same time, the music - and soloing on his part - is very, very clear. He's got a pretty complete conception (i.e., doing exactly what he wanted to do/could do at the time), even if it would change over the ensuing years. Thanks for the refresher, Chuck.

[relyles]

This looks like something I would like to hear. I checked www.gemm.com and they have the LP listed for $289. A little beyond my budget in these tough economic time. There is another BYG LP listed on amazon titled Consequences. Anyone have any idea what that is?

[jeffcrom]

This looks like something I would like to hear. I checked www.gemm.com and they have the LP listed for $289. A little beyond my budget in these tough economic time. There is another BYG LP listed on amazon titled Consequences. Anyone have any idea what that is?

That's a reissue of a 1964 Savoy album that featured Dixon with a larger ensemble on one side, and Shepp with the New York Contemporary Five on the other. It's a very good album which, unlike the Shepp/Dixon quartet date, has been reissued several times, including a CD reissue from 2001.

[relyles]

This looks like something I would like to hear. I checked www.gemm.com and they have the LP listed for $289. A little beyond my budget in these tough economic time. There is another BYG LP listed on amazon titled Consequences. Anyone have any idea what that is?

That's a reissue of a 1964 Savoy album that featured Dixon with a larger ensemble on one side, and Shepp with the New York Contemporary Five on the other. It's a very good album which, unlike the Shepp/Dixon quartet date, has been reissued several times, including a CD reissue from 2001.

Thank you. I saw the CD reissue of that recording. I was wondering whether it was possibly the earlier recording under another name. Since the LP is only $5.00 I would have picked it up if it was.

[clifford_thornton]

The BYG reissue of the quartet is entitled Peace.

[Guest Bill Barton]

Looks like I'll need to track this one down... Thanks especially to Chuck and JohnS for the glowing recs.

An aside:

When I Googled it I found a truly hilarious "misprint" for the musician credits (now I can't recall where this originated from.) In any case, they had "Howard McGhee" rather than "Howard McRae" listed as the drummer on "Peace." Yikes!

[ghost of miles]

I used "Peace" from this album for the upcoming "Ornette Coleman Songbook" Night Lights show.

[Chalupa]

So are the BYGs from the original tapes?? I'm assuming the Savoy issues have better sound?

[Chuck Nessa]

So are the BYGs from the original tapes?? I'm assuming the Savoy issues have better sound?

Not sure of the BYG sources (long story some other time), but my original Savoy pressing was so shitty I burned a copy of the BYG for listening. YMMV.

[AndrewHill]

Yeah, this is a bummer, because after the Atlantic/Savoy cd reissue of the Dixon/Shepp date, I really really want to hear this date. I wish Bill (or whoever has the tapes) would give the fans a "legal" chance to hear this date. It kind of reminds me of the Ornette Impulse's that we'll never get to hear on cd

[Misterioso]

This album has been reissued on vinyl in 2017 by the Italian re-issue label "Jeanne Dielman". Has anyone here experience with the quality of the re-issues of this label? I don't find any information online.

[clifford_thornton]

Re-issue label is 'pushing it' for Jeanne Dielman -- they are bootlegs.

[Misterioso]

On 6/2/2018 at 3:12 AM, clifford_thornton said:

Re-issue label is 'pushing it' for Jeanne Dielman -- they are bootlegs.

Thanks, I'll pass.

[JohnS]

Just to repeat an earlier post - this is a terrific record.   Highly recommended..