AllenLowe Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 just listening to the sessions from 1939 - a modernist way ahead of his time - harmonically and rhythmically a true modernist, even more so than Nat Cole - Dick Katz told me about him years ago and I listened, but I am just now renewing my musical acquaintance - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 is there no LOVE for Clarence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Beat Steve Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hm .... looks like this is the time to pull out my copy of "The Complete Clarence Profit" on Meritt 15 again and give it a spin. Been a while since I listened to it but what I do remember is that his interplay with guitarist Jimmy Shirley on his 1940 trio sides is EXTREMELY fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I also love him very much ! Actually, I like the two solos on Columbia 35378 (specially "I Didn't Know...") even better than his extraordinary trio recordings. Great records that hardly anyone bought at the time - it took me several years to find all four 78's from 1939/40 - and Profit is unduly forgotten today ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 sounds intriguing, but where can I actually listen to his playing? (and what about Clyde Hart?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 sounds intriguing, but where can I actually listen to his playing? (and what about Clyde Hart?) As much as I like Profit - I would not label him "early bebopper". Clyde Hart sure was ! Profit's playing (based on the few records he made) reminds a bit of the solos Jimmy Jones made for Wax - albeit almost a decade later ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I have the Storyville Wax label CD - some of Jones' sides are on it, but not all (I guess that was a fair decision as the remaining sessions are more interesting... but still, with the actual CD being so cheap and the package so nice, they could have done a 2CD set instead...) Hart has alyways been fascinating to me ever since I got the Savoy 5LP complete Bird box 12 or 13 years ago (I think it was my first Bird, and what an impressive start it was!), and Hart is very good on the great "Red Cross" session (led by Tiny Grimes), which opens that box! (Also drummer Doc West I think was in that band of Lester Young's with no piano, which is sort of proto-bop, too - I think all that exists of that are two tunes from a live recording, alas.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 is there no LOVE for Clarence? My Dad loved Nat Cole, Tatum, etc. and always told me about Clarence and how ahead of his time he was. I think I may have something on a comp but that's it. How much is available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Here's the Clarence Profit discography, according to Walter Bruyninckx: ---------------------------------------- Clarence Profit Trio : Clarence Profit (p) Billy Moore (g) Ben Brown (b) New York, February 15, 1939 24122-1 Don't leve me Epic LN24028, SN6042, Meritt 15, Tax (Swd)m-8030, Col (E)33SX1506 24123-1 There'll be some changes made Br 8341, Meritt 15, Tax (Swd)m-8030 24124-1 I got rhythm Tax (Swd)m-8030, Meritt 15 24124-2 I got rhythm (*) Epic LN24028, SN6042, Meritt 15, Col (E)33SX1506 24125-2 Down home Meritt 4, 15 24126-1 Tropical nights (*) 15 24126-2 Tropical nights (unissued) 24127-1 Tea for two (*) Tax (Swd)m-8030, Meritt 15 24127-2 Tea for two Br 8341, Meritt 15 Note : Entire session except (*) on Memoir (E)MOIR504 (CD) entitled "Clarence Profit", rest of this CD see following sessions and rest of this CD by the Washboard Serenaders and Georgia Washboard Stompers. One take of "Tea for two" not known which used on Memoir (E)MOIR507 entitled "Harlem Joys", rest of this CD by other artists. Meritt 4 as "Piano album" & 15 as "The complete Clarence Profit 1939-1940". Tax (Swd)m-8030 as "Swing Street, Volume 2", rest of this LP by other artists. ----------------------------------------------- Clarence Profit (p) solos New York, November 29, 1939 26308-A Body and soul Col 35378, Meritt 15 23609-A The blues - Note : Both titles also on Memoir (E)MOIR504 (CD). ----------------------------------------------- Clarence Profit (p) solos New York, January 5, 1940 26308-B Body and soul Col 35378, Meritt 15 26308-C Body and soul - 26396-A I didn't know what time it was - , - , Col KG32355 26396-B I didn't know what time it was - Note : Entire session anlso on Memoir (E)MOIR504 (CD). Columbia KG32355 entitled "A jazz piano anthology", rest by other artists. ----------------------------------------------- Clarence Profit (p) Jimmy Shirley (g) Ben Brown (b) New York, September 11, 1940 68079-A Dark eyes De 8527, Meritt 15 68080-A Times Square blues 8503, - , Affinity (E)AFS 1022, MCA 1329, (F)510090, Franklin Mint 78 68081-A Hot and bothered De 8503, GRD639 (CD), Meritt 15, MCA 1329, (F)510090, Affinity (E)AFS1022 68082-A Azure De 8527, Meritt 15 Note : Entire session on Memoir (E)MOIR504 (CD). MCA 1329 entitled "Kings & Queens of ivory 1935-1940", rest by other artists. De GRD639 (CD) as "A piano anthology (from Jelly Roll Morton to Billy Evans)", rest by other artists. Affinity (E)AFS1022 as "Big band bounce & boogy-Piano portraits Vol. 1", rest by other artists. ------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Hart, great as he was, is still more swing-oriented rhythmically - Profit clearly had an influence on early Bud Powell, both rhythmically and harmonically - there is a strong resemblance between his circa 1940 playing and early Bud - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 is there no LOVE for Clarence? My Dad loved Nat Cole, Tatum, etc. and always told me about Clarence and how ahead of his time he was. I think I may have something on a comp but that's it. How much is available? Besides the Merritt-LP (produced by Jerry Valburn) and the CD on Memoir (which I had never seen) Profit recorded with Teddy Bunn and several Washboard Bands in the early 30's; see discographies - and these tracks are on various CDs. In addition, Profit composed "Lullaby in Rhythm" with his buddy Edgar Sampson in 1938. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 The Clarence Profit Memoir CD is listed on Amazon.fr. Been a fan of Profit ever since Merritt released the vinyl album by him. That one continues to be spinned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 The Clarence Profit Memoir CD is listed on Amazon.fr. Been a fan of Profit ever since Merritt released the vinyl album by him. That one continues to be spinned. 15 euros apiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 The Clarence Profit Memoir CD is listed on Amazon.fr. Been a fan of Profit ever since Merritt released the vinyl album by him. That one continues to be spinned. 15 euros apiece. ...and now gone... after reading in this thread I would have ordered it for that prize, but hey, my bank account thanks him who was faster! Anyway, it being listed by caiman I guess it's more likely that if you order it, you'll just get a re-fund in a month... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Wood Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I just picked up a Clarence Profit lp yesterday. I really like his playing, and it was a shame he died so young. We would probably be talking about him like we do Bud Powell or Art Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaffa Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Did you find the Merritt-LP ? If you did: Lucky you ! If that's not the one, I wonder which LP you refer to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 he did, later on, have that nice duo with the bassist Frank Loss - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 just playing the memoir cd (on deezer.com) thanks for the heads up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 (edited) Here is the CD on the Internet Archive, with 30 second excerpts. The booklet is scanned so you can read the liner notes and session information. https://archive.org/details/cd_profit-all-the-solo-and-trio-sides-complet_clarence-profit There a few 78s that you can listen to on the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/78_dark-eyes_clarence-profit-trio_gbia0363416a https://archive.org/details/78_body-and-soul_clarence-profit-sour-heyman-eyton-green_gbia0017552a There are also a few videos on YouTube, for example: Edited August 24 by hopkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatta Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 Spotify doesn't, but Apple Music has Clarence Profit Memoir CD. https://music.apple.com/jp/album/clarence-profit/65841712?l=en-US I think this guy (and Billy Kyle) has the strongest influence on early Bud Powell. Maybe more than Art Tatum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted August 24 Report Share Posted August 24 Thanks for pointing that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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