king ubu Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Can anyone help me here? This disc seems not to be listed in the discographies, even more, several of the songs I searched for seem to be completely unlisted... I'd love to get some approximate info even, if there's no exact to be had. The CD booklet just says "(1940-1946) Recorded in the 40'ies using the usual Decca personnel. Dates and exact personnel is not available and no attempt to identify the musicians has been made." I know JU has an ok standing here (though I personally still am not entirely convinced they're not operating in a grey-ish area... that of course does not affect their parent label!), but this seems pretty cheap... Any help would be appreciated! As for the "usual Decca personnel" from 1940-46, here are the personnel listings for those dates: Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (as,bar) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (fl,cl,ts) Clarence Johnson (p) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d) Yack Taylor (vcl) New York, January 25, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl,talking) Kenneth Hollon (cl,ts) Clarence Johnson (p,talking) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d,tymp) Daisy Winchester, Mabel Robinson (vcl) prob. Kenneth Hollon (vcl) New York, March 13, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl) Kenneth Hollon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Charlie Drayton (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, April 29, 1940 & September 30, 1940 Courtney Williams (tp) or Kenneth Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (cl,as,bar,vcl) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Charlie Drayton (b) or Henry Turner (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, January 24, 1941 Freddy Webster (tp) Louis Jordan (as,ts-1,vcl) Stafford "Pazzuza" Simon (cl,ts) Arnold Thomas (p) Henry Turner (b) Walter Martin (d) New York, April 2, 1941 Eddie Roane (tp,backing vcl) Louis Jordan (as,ts,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Dallas Bartley (b) Walter Martin (d) Chicago, Ill., November 15, 1941 & November 22, 1941, New York, July 21, 1942 Eddie Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (as,ts-1,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Shadow Wilson (d) Duke of Iron, Sister Rosetta Tharpe (vcl) Los Angeles, CA, October 4, 1943 Eddie Roane (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Arnold Thomas (p) Al Morgan (b) Shadow Wilson (d) New York, March 1, 1944 same, but Slick Jones (d) replaces Shadow Wilson New York, March 15, 1944 Idrees Sulieman (tp) [ Leonard Graham (tp) ] Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Freddie Simon (ts) William Austin (p) Al Morgan (b) Alex "Razz" Mitchell (d) New York, January 19, 1945 Aaron Izenhall (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) Josh Jackson (ts) Wild Bill Davis (p,arr) Carl Hogan (el-g) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Eddie Byrd (d) New York, July 16, 1945, July 18, 1945, October 15, 1945, January 23, 1946, June 26, 1946 Aaron Izenhall (tp) Louis Jordan (as,vcl) prob James Wright (ts) Wild Bill Davis (p,arr) Carl Hogan (el-g) Jesse "Po" Simpkins (b) Joe Morris (d) [ Christopher Columbus (d) ] New York, October 10, 1946 Quote
king ubu Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 cover: and the tracklist: I'm Gonna Move To The Outskirts Of Town Infantry Blues (Back Home Again In) Indiana You Run Your Mouth And I'll Run My Business All For The Love Of Lil Honest I Does How Deep Is The Ocean My Baby Said Yes (Yip, Yip De Hootie) Bounce The Ball (Do Da Dittle Um Day) Get Me To Kansas City Let's Make An Effort Let's Operate I Lost My Sugar In Salt Lake City I'm Just The Blues I Wonder Stretch My Shoes The Willies Bobby Socks Stomp Small Town Up Jump The Devil In A White Nightgown You Be You But Let Me Be Me That 'll Just About Knock Me Out Let's Make It A Date Ridin' In The Upper Berth Don't Worry 'Bout That Mule Ham On Rye Next Bus Please You've Got To Get It Johnny Hep Cat Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Did you check the Louis jordan discography by Jacques Lubin and Danny Garcon? It is about 20 years old so may not be quite up to date as far as recent discoveries are concerned, but it includes a lot of tracks recorded in 1944-46 (mostly with personnel) with the World Transcription Services being indicated as the recording source. Some of the tracks on that CD are listed there, some are not. According to that discography some of the World Transcription recordings even made it to Decca and V-Disc releases at the time. World Transcription recordings (not the ones on that CD) were reissued on Circle LPs CLP-53 and CLP-97. Now the amazing thing is that CLP-53 has 12 tracks from 7 different sessions and the dates and personnes for all 7 sessions (Jan., 44 to July, 45) are given in the liner notes, stating "World Broadcasting Systems Files" as the sources. So clearly it could not have been THAT difficult researching the lineup and recording dates for most of these tracks??! Quote
king ubu Posted March 23, 2009 Author Report Posted March 23, 2009 Gee, I don't think I'd have access in Switzerland to that book... but this sounds indeed very sloppy on JU's part! Thanks for your additional info... will look around, maybe one of the big libraries has that book. Quote
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