David Ayers Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I'm just giving this a first listen my first exposure to Leroy Jenkins & Carlos Wards work. I was at the Rome leg of this tour, and have the two Leo releases on vinyl (complete - the CD docks a little, I think). You have to be in the mood for this music! Some people don't like Ward and are nostalgic for Lyons. At the Rome gig half of the audience walked out - literally half! The trance like effect of the very loud and continuous performance was quite something - not for everyone though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangme Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I like this version of the Unit. I especially like the interludes with Ward on flute and Barker on mallets. Given Taylor's long association with Lyons and the extent to which Lyon's became such an important part of the music, it was good to see him come back and strike out in new directions. Actually, it seems like this period was a very rich one for Taylor, with the FMP recordings just ahread in 88 and the Feel trio stuff. I've got this on LP and my only gripe is that Barker's amazing work is a bit under recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Welcome dangme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I've got nothing to add to what has already been said in other posts. Well..., at least not until after I've read all 2000+ of them. I'm mainly here to show couw, I'm not afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I've got nothing to add to what has already been said in other posts. Well..., at least not until after I've read all 2000+ of them. I'm mainly here to show couw, I'm not afraid. start reading catesta. there's some way cool stuff hidden in the deep layers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catesta Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I've got nothing to add to what has already been said in other posts. Well..., at least not until after I've read all 2000+ of them. I'm mainly here to show couw, I'm not afraid. start reading catesta. there's some way cool stuff hidden in the deep layers. Any junk food or porn to be found? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I've got nothing to add to what has already been said in other posts. Well..., at least not until after I've read all 2000+ of them. I'm mainly here to show couw, I'm not afraid. start reading catesta. there's some way cool stuff hidden in the deep layers. Any junk food or porn to be found? Depends on how you define junk food or porn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 I've got nothing to add to what has already been said in other posts. Well..., at least not until after I've read all 2000+ of them. I'm mainly here to show couw, I'm not afraid. start reading catesta. there's some way cool stuff hidden in the deep layers. Any junk food or porn to be found? Depends on how you define junk food or porn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 (edited) Talking about Okka, I assume everybody here (particularly Back Together... fans) already purchased Fred Anderson / Steve McCalls Vintage Duets? No, not yet. I'm guessing you would recommend this disc? Yes John, you are guessing correctly After some previous discussion on Fred Anderson, I dug up some CDs of his I have, and found this one to be absolutely stunning: Fred Anderson / Steve McCall - "Vintage Duets, 1980". It seems to be the very first Okka release (1994), so there is a chance of it going OOP fast, and YOU wouldn't want to be without a copy. As I mentioned, Fred Anderson's other duo with drummer (Steve MacCall) - Vintage Duets (on Okka) is fantastic... I would still rate Vintage Duets (Okka) higher, though. Hans, have you heard Vintage Duets? - Fred Anderson / Steve McCall duo recording on Okka - there MCCall is perfectly complimetary to Anderson's playing. Of 5-6 Fred Anderson CDs I have, Vintage Duets is my favorite, by far. I still much prefer Vintage Duets (Okka) to this one (AMG review). I would be interested in hearing your opinion on comparing these two (also given that they were recorded more than 20 years apart). Vintage Duets should be a pretty safe bet: if you like Back Together Again, I don't see why you would not like it... Hans, what's your feeling on Vintage Duets vs. Back Together...? As you might have noticed, I feel that while Back Together... is SINOW, Vintage Duets is far superior... This is a great album: Fred Anderson & Steve McCall - Vintage Duets - Okkadisk Absolutely. Edited July 1, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 So David... you'd recommend... Consider it ordered! By the way, STILL haven't received the Evander (Gebbia) order! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Uh, how many volumes of Vintage Duet have been released so far? With which one should I begin my trip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 And hey, someone should rename this thread into "funny rat (recommended)" or anything similar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 (edited) And looking at your "Twins" cover, it seems it's one of the German ones. The others (the new jewel case ones) don't have that thing on the left saying "Atlantic Masters"). http://www.warnerclassics.de/index.jsp ubu Got Twins (for €7 or so at Amazon.fr). It is indeed a typical red-black Atlantic Masters digipak reissue made in Germany. The sound is actually quite good - much better than Atlantic Master reissue of Free Jazz, for example. The music is phenomenal. The other one I got is this one: Great stuff! Pretty adventurous playing from everybody. Say what you will, but I hear a lot of Brötzmann in Hawkins' playing. Edited July 1, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Say what you will, but I hear a lot of Brötzmann in Hawkins' playing. Hold a mirror up to that thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 And looking at your "Twins" cover, it seems it's one of the German ones. The others (the new jewel case ones) don't have that thing on the left saying "Atlantic Masters"). http://www.warnerclassics.de/index.jsp ubu Got Twins (for €7 or so at Amazon.fr). It is indeed a typical red-black Atlantic Masters digipak reissue made in Germany. The sound is actually quite good - much better than Atlantic Master reissue of Free Jazz, for example. The music is phenomenal. The other one I got is this one: Great stuff! Pretty adventurous playing from everybody. Say what you will, but I hear a lot of Brötzmann in Hawkins' playing. As Chuck said. Listening to Brötz on the recently bought "Three points and a mountain...plus" (FMP, trio with Mengelberg & Bennink), that seems to be very much the case - loads of Hawk in there! Listen to Sonny apeing Hawk on some track (can't remember, don't have my RCA box at hand) is great! And it seems on a few tracks that Hawk, in this surroundings, outgrows himself (if that is possible - or let me say: stylistically transcends his own horizon), while Rollins of (mocking on the surface, but probably deep serious) respect plays all the Hawk he knows (which is tons of, of course). ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
couw Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 check the AotW thread on that Sonny Rollins album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Another beautiful one (and also dirt-cheap from Amazon.fr; 2003 reissue): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 This thread is at the '2000 REPLIES' point! If you click on the '2000', you get: Who posted in: Funny Rat Poster :: Posts 1 - ?.?. 519 2- king ubu 349 [3-17] 18 - alankin 10 I never thought I'd be in the top twenty! (Of course there's a rapid fall off from the first few posters...) I was tied with Clunky with 32 posts, so I just wanted to forge ahead. Carry on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 I was tied with Clunky with 32 posts, so I just wanted to forge ahead. Carry on... Sorry Matthew, but we can't count that post toward your total. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From JAZZMATAZZ: NEW Vinicius Cantuaria - Live: Skirball Cultural Center - 2 CDs (Kufala) June 29 — Vinicius Cantuaria (vocals, guitar, percussion); Jenny Scheinman (violin); Sergio Brandao (bass); Paulo Braga (drums); Nanny Assis (percussion) NEW Club D'Elf - Live 3/28/02 Athens, GA - 2 CDs (Kufala) June 29 — Brahim Fribgane (vocals, oud, percussion); Reeves Gabrels (guitar); Mat Maneri (electric violin); John Medeski (keyboards); Mike Rivard (bass instrument); Eric Kalb (drums); Mister Rourke (turntables) NEW Club D'Elf - Live 4/20/00 NYC - 2 CDs (Kufala) June 29 — Joe Maneri (vocals, reeds); Brahim Fribgane (oud, percussion); Mat Maneri (electric violin); John Medeski (keyboards); Mike Rivard (bass instrument); Erik Kerr (drums) NEW Club D'Elf - Live: Vassar Chapel 2/26/01 - 2 CDs (Kufala) June 29 — Brahim Fribgane (vocals, oud, percussion); Randy Roos (guitar); Mat Maneri (electric violin); John Medeski (keyboards); Mike Rivard (bass instrument); Erik Kerr (drums) NEW Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey - Slow Breath, Silent Mind (Kufala) June 29 — Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey: Brian Haas (piano, melodica); Reed Mathis (cello, acoustic bass); Jason Smart (drums); recorded live in 2003) NEW Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey - Symbiosis Osmosis (Kufala) June 29 Rather odd assortment of musicians, me thinks. Inexpensive two CD sets. Anyone familiar with the KUFALA RECORDINGS label? (Interest lies mainly with the presence on Joe and Mat Maneri.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 (edited) I was tied with Clunky with 32 posts, so I just wanted to forge ahead. Carry on... Sorry Matthew, but we can't count that post toward your total. Moreover, we will actually deduct a penalty point. Edited July 2, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Say what you will, but I hear a lot of Brötzmann in Hawkins' playing. Hold a mirror up to that thought. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Another beautiful one (and also dirt-cheap from Amazon.fr; 2003 reissue): David, consider this one, too: A GREAT album! Not to buy on Amazon France, though - they want 21 Euros for that one - I guess it would be best to check for this on some US sources. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Say what you will, but I hear a lot of Brötzmann in Hawkins' playing. Hold a mirror up to that thought. Exactly. Actually not! If we talk about influences, yes, of course, but if we talk about "hearing" someone in someone - you can hear Brötz in Hawk looking at it (or rather: listening to it) now, with the benefit of knowing Brötz and all the post-Hawk saxophone history. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Just in case someone here is looking for the either OOP or soon to go OOP hatOLOGY "Dissonant Characters", a great duo album by Ellery Eskelin and Han Bennink, there's a copy available on jazzmatazz, and for a nice price, too! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Say what you will, but I hear a lot of Brötzmann in Hawkins' playing. Hold a mirror up to that thought. Exactly. Actually not! If we talk about influences, yes, of course, but if we talk about "hearing" someone in someone - you can hear Brötz in Hawk looking at it (or rather: listening to it) now, with the benefit of knowing Brötz and all the post-Hawk saxophone history. ubu I have heard a lot of Brotzmann, but almost no Hawk. Those of us coming at this music "backwards" (chronologically) could hear a lot of Brotz in Hawk, even if we understand the river was flowing in the other direction. That said, I have a bunch of Hawk at home that I haven't gotten around to listening to yet, which I'll have to start to remedy this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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