king ubu Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Listened to "Clinkers" today - first listen, one of the hatOLOGIES waiting to get acquainted with my ears... very very good! And beautiful, even in its abstract passages. Then "Trickles", a Lacy-Rudd-Carter-Harris date on Soulnote. Very good, too. More on the playful and funny side, full of allusions to older jazz (not only by Rudd and his sound, but also by Lacy himself). Very groovy stuff, too, though in a rather wierd and somewhat distorted way. Now half-through "Morning Joy" (a sencond first, got that burned from some kind soul recently) - wow! I don't think Potts is a drag at all. I like this pensive way of "constructing" solos (dig Oliver Nelson doing it on one track of his "Blues And The Abstract Truth" right after an awesome and eruptive Dolphy solo - Nelson far out wins!). For my ears, Potts creates a very good counterpoint soundwise, fuller, fruitier, whatever, against the cool and somewhat distanced (yet always fully there) Lacy. Avenel is quite a bassist, too! A week or two ago I listened to "The Window" which is the same group, some months later, minus Potts - very good, too! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Then "Trickles", a Lacy-Rudd-Carter-Harris date on Soulnote. Very good, too. More on the playful and funny side, full of allusions to older jazz (not only by Rudd and his sound, but also by Lacy himself). Very groovy stuff, too, though in a rather wierd and somewhat distorted way. This one didn't really grab me - sounded more like some sort of a "concept" record... but quite a..hmmm...underdeveloped and disrupted one. Solos seemed rather abrasive also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Then "Trickles", a Lacy-Rudd-Carter-Harris date on Soulnote. Very good, too. More on the playful and funny side, full of allusions to older jazz (not only by Rudd and his sound, but also by Lacy himself). Very groovy stuff, too, though in a rather wierd and somewhat distorted way. This one didn't really grab me - sounded more like some sort of a "concept" record... but quite a..hmmm...underdeveloped and disrupted one. Solos seemed rather abrasive also. I like it better with each new listen, it seems. It might be a bit erratic, a bit gruff, a bit under-rehearsed and under-inspired, yet there's something about it that I start to like better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 (edited) For my ears, Potts creates a very good counterpoint soundwise, fuller, fruitier, whatever, against the cool and somewhat distanced (yet always fully there) Lacy. ubu STEVE POTTS is the most underated sax player of ALL time. Love the guy, love is playing. He could have been another DOLPHY (one of his teacher with JOE HENDERSON) but he chooses to live most of his musician's life in the shadow of LACY because he felt in admiration with him. LACY, many times has sing his praise and deplore that it didn't get more gigs on his own. Now, it's a bit late (he is over sixty) for him to rise to his true level. He's quite active today but the music he produces is not reflecting his true talent. The guy has only TWO disc under his name and the second is not even good. If you ever find his first (OOP) one, grab it. You won't regret it. It's not a masterpiece, either, but there is some very good stuff on it even if the record is a bit of a show case. STEVE takes somme amazing solos on few tunes. STEVE POTTS 4: PEARL (CC Production), recording date, 14 & 15 february 1990. With RICHARD GALLIANO (accordeon), JEAN-JACQUES AVENEL (Double bass), BERTRAND RENAUDIN (drums, production.) And his solos on MORNING JOY, smokes! Edited June 6, 2004 by P.L.M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 For my ears, Potts creates a very good counterpoint soundwise, fuller, fruitier, whatever, against the cool and somewhat distanced (yet always fully there) Lacy. ubu ... And his solos on MORNING JOY, smokes! I re-listened to Mornig Joy and can only agree with ubu's and P.L.M. - Potts' solos are really smoking! I will look for his solo disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnhrtg Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 D.D. , ubu, and P.L.M - I think I might have over-accentuated my opinons for once. I also re-listened to the disc and found Potts' playing to be rather good and enjoyed listening to his solos on all tracks, save for the one on "Epistrophy." Nevertheless, as good as his playing is I still eagerly await Lacy's solos on each tune, nothing wrong with that, I guess. ubu - yes Avenel has that woody, thick, tone that I really like. My opinion of the music on the disc, which remains unchanged, is that it's excellent - a term I try to reserve for music that really moves me in some way (in this instance it was making me get up and dance a number of times). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 ... ubu - yes Avenel has that woody, thick, tone that I really like. ... I think we discussed that alread, but with Avenel, Chevillon and Texier, there's some great french bass players around lately, with that great sound, too. Others? ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 Solos seemed rather abrasive also. Seems like at least half the solos I admire are "abrasive". I've had Trickles since it was first released, in the mid '70s, and bought the cd as well. A very nice date for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 A little free advertising for a brand new label: it gives me great pleasure to announce the first release of the new label 'substance over surface editions' - SoSEDITIONS - an offering of recent live and studio recordings by the improvising trio of michel doneda, jack wright, and tatsuya nakatani. the recording is accompanied by a poem by renowned poet jerome rothenberg. the new cd, entitled 'from between,' is printed in an edition of 1000. the cover and insert are letterpressed on 100 per cent recycled paper. please visit our website under construction at www.soseditions.com, and please direct all inquires to sosnyc@soseditions.com. thank you very much for your interest. best, please take care, daniel m. yang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Listened to a very fastinating piano solo disc over the weekend: Sergey Kuryokhin, "Some Combinations of Fingers and Passion" It's a pretty un-pianistic piano disc, I guess. Very strange and fascinating techniques used. I think Kuryokhin has also composed "serious" music (whatever that really is, don't pin me down on this!), and this can easily be heard. The music he plays (mostly the first, almost half-hour long tune), often has a cinematic quality. Often reminded me of piano players accompanying silent movies (there are a few good ones playing in Zurich, occasionally). Thoroughly fascinating. I shall explore it further and listen to it some more! The other disc I listened to on sunday was: Xavier Garcia - Gianni Gebbia - Nils Wogram pronto! Gianni Gebbia: Alto and Soprano Saxophones Nils Wogram: Trombone Xavier Garcia: Sampler Cover Art: Gianni Gebia Cover Graphic: Dominik Süess Liner Notes: Bert Noglik Recorded February 2001 at Miamo Studio, Palermo, Italy, by Natale Lopes. Published 2002 by Intakt Records Intakt CD 076 Gianni Gebbia, Xavier Garcia und Nils Wogram: Three who met on the outermost, southernmost tip of Europe have shaped their music into an exciting event, a challenge and a feast for the senses. Gianni Gebbia is at home at the place everything happened, in Sicily's capitol Palermo, and has revitalized a scene of improvised music there. He has made a name for himself by playing with many of the internationally-known outstanding musicians of this genre, has played solo concerts, and is active as a promoter. Nils Wogram, who has long arrived in the scene and still can be considered young, has distinguished him-self with his own ensembles and compositions, and feels connected in many ways to the musical culture of Cologne, Germany. And Xavier Garcia comes from a stronghold of avant-garde music, inspired by jazz, in France: from the circle of musical association, ARFI, settled in Lyon: Association à la Recherche d'un Folklore Imaginaire. He plays with ARFI groups, composes and produces works of electronic music and has thereby created his own individual style in his dealing with live electronics. In this trio, musical explosiveness results from the continually changing different mixtures of known and completely new sounds. The associations reach from songs, hymns and chorales to Bebop and Cool Jazz, from Babylonian confusion of voices to soundtracks for imaginary films, from Mediterranean melodies to Albert Ayler, from string ensembles to Indian sitar sounds, from the history of the trombone in Jazz to electronic music. In the course of the pieces, in varying shapes, it becomes clearer and clearer what can be heard and what needs no further reference to anything else: the identity of a trio. Bert Noglik, Liner Notes Source: http://www.intaktrec.ch/ge-a.htm I think it's pretty fascinating music. Quiet, almost a bit meditative at points. The mix of electronics with Gebbia and Wogram works quite organically. Also, Gebbia and Wogram are two fascinating instrumentalists. It's not one to shine from the start, but one that has to grow, I think. I shall definitively listen to it again. (I got it from the libary, by the way). ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 ... ubu - yes Avenel has that woody, thick, tone that I really like. ... I think we discussed that alread, but with Avenel, Chevillon and Texier, there's some great french bass players around lately, with that great sound, too. Others? ubu France has always produced great bass players. On the "modern classic side" you had, yesterday, PIERRE MICHELOT (MILES: LIFT TO THE SCAFFOLD, DEXTER GORDON: OUR MAN IN PARIS and his association with DANIEL HUMAIR et RENE UTREGER for the HUM TRIO - integral on SKETCH) Today, you have, PIERRE BOUSSAGUET (check his TRIO EUROPA on EMARCY with HERVE SELIN, piano, ALVIN QUEEN, drums, and GUY LAFITTE as a guest.) On the "progressive side", JEAN-FRANÇOIS JENNY-CLARKE was a good example of this french particularism. Another bassist of great importance was the late Beb (Bernard) Guérin (you can hear him on the MICHEL PORTAL UNIT: CHATEAUVALLON: 23 AOÛT 1972). Among the living, I like particularly the following: DIDIER LEVALLET (NOAH ROSEN, SYLVAIN KASSAP, ANTHONY ORTEGA) JEAN-PAUL CELEA (DAVE LIEBMAN, JOACHIM KÜHN, FRANÇOIS JEANNEAU) OLIVIER SENS (CHRISTOPHE MARGUET) CLAUDE TCHAMITCHIAN (FRANÇOIS CORNELOUP, GRAND LOUSADZAK) STEPHAN BOISSEAU (DANIEL HUMAIR, STEPHAN OLIVA) JEAN BOLCATO (LE WORKSHOP DE LYON, DAUNIK LAZRO) But beside those and the already named HENRY TEXIER, BRUNO CHEVILLON and JEAN-JACQUES AVENEL, my current favorite is BERNARD SANTACRUZ who has this "big boisterous sound" that we like. Check the following if you don't have them yet: BERNARD SANTACRUZ - FRANK LOWE - DENIS CHARLES: AFTER THE DEMON'S LEAVING (AA) FRANK LOWE-BERNARD SANTACRUZ: SHORT TALES (BLEU REGARD) MARC MAZILLO - ANDRE JAUME - BERNARD SANTACRUZ: JAISALMER (CELP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 (edited) Want to give my recommendation to two Roscoe Mitchell cds tthat I've been listening to recently. Solo 3: It's a three disk set, first cd is Mitchell on solo Soprano sax, and also a couple of songs with overdubs of Mitchell on different saxes. Second disk, solo Alto, and the third disk Roscoe is doing Percussion solos. The first two disks are outstanding, and for those who have concerns, the circular breathing solos are kept to a minimum. The second disk especially is great, I've always loved Mitchell's alto work and he keeps the ideas flowing. I'm even warming up to the third disk of his percussion work. Mitchell has an interesting approach to percussion, and the more I listen to it, the more it makes sense, and the more I understand his sax work. L-R-G /The Maze/S II Examples I got this one from Chuck Nessa and it is an outstanding cd. Three different sessions, with L-R-G being a trio of Mitchell, George Lewis and Leo Smith. It's what I would call "meditative free-jazz", where the players want to create a sound picture that is nuanced in its presentation. It took a couple of listens, but with each one, I really enjoyed what was happening. The other two works on the cd is a percussion piece with about eight different players, and a solo song by Mitchell on Soprano. Equally worth while in quality. Want to end on a word of thanks to Chuck Nessa for reissueing this cd, and, hopefully we'll see Nonaah back in print one day. Thanks for keeping the music alive Chuck! Edit: So I can spell Chuck Nessa's name right -- I had CHURCH Nessa. Edited June 7, 2004 by Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 Thanks, P.L.M.! Lots of names. I have the 3CD HUM set, as well as lots of discs with Michelot. HUM is fantastic! From the others, I have heard some names, but Jenny-Clark is the only one I have on record (with the great Kühn-Humair-J.-C. trio, "Triple Entente"). I'll have to check some of them out! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 I also enjoy those Roscoe Mitchell's more with each listening. Received this from FMP today - very powerfull ! Can't wait to get out of the office & give it a proper BLAST in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnhrtg Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 (edited) And everybody who wrote me regarding the Brötzmarksson - mailed today. Hope I didn't forget anybody. Please do post your impressions here, once you have the disc! And drop me your email address, so I can send you my self-made cover. ubu I'm just through listening to this for the first time. All I can say is that there are some great, great, moments and I'll do all I can to catch them whenever they play within reasonable travelling distance. This is as good as I was expecting from these 3 gents, 45 min's' worth of very fine music. Many thanks to king ubu for making this available to fellow fans as myself. Edited June 7, 2004 by gnhrtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 7, 2004 Report Share Posted June 7, 2004 And everybody who wrote me regarding the Brötzmarksson - mailed today. Hope I didn't forget anybody. Please do post your impressions here, once you have the disc! And drop me your email address, so I can send you my self-made cover. ubu I'm just through listening to this for the first time. All I can say is that there are some great, great, moments and I'll do all I can to catch them whenever they play within reasonable travelling distance. This is as good as I was expecting from these 3 gents, 45 min's' worth of very fine music. Many thanks to king ubu for making this available to fellow fans as myself. Glad you like it Gokhan! I might not even have it recorded hadn't you advised me about how cool that trio is (and it IS!). I mailed out the cover to everyone just now - please drop me a line if it didn't work, or if I forgot someone on my mail! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 ... ubu - yes Avenel has that woody, thick, tone that I really like. ... I think we discussed that alread, but with Avenel, Chevillon and Texier, there's some great french bass players around lately, with that great sound, too. Others? ubu France has always produced great bass players. On the "modern classic side" you had, yesterday, PIERRE MICHELOT (MILES: LIFT TO THE SCAFFOLD, DEXTER GORDON: OUR MAN IN PARIS and his association with DANIEL HUMAIR et RENE UTREGER for the HUM TRIO - integral on SKETCH) Today, you have, PIERRE BOUSSAGUET (check his TRIO EUROPA on EMARCY with HERVE SELIN, piano, ALVIN QUEEN, drums, and GUY LAFITTE as a guest.) On the "progressive side", JEAN-FRANÇOIS JENNY-CLARKE was a good example of this french particularism. Another bassist of great importance was the late Beb (Bernard) Guérin (you can hear him on the MICHEL PORTAL UNIT: CHATEAUVALLON: 23 AOÛT 1972). Among the living, I like particularly the following: DIDIER LEVALLET (NOAH ROSEN, SYLVAIN KASSAP, ANTHONY ORTEGA) JEAN-PAUL CELEA (DAVE LIEBMAN, JOACHIM KÜHN, FRANÇOIS JEANNEAU) OLIVIER SENS (CHRISTOPHE MARGUET) CLAUDE TCHAMITCHIAN (FRANÇOIS CORNELOUP, GRAND LOUSADZAK) STEPHAN BOISSEAU (DANIEL HUMAIR, STEPHAN OLIVA) JEAN BOLCATO (LE WORKSHOP DE LYON, DAUNIK LAZRO) But beside those and the already named HENRY TEXIER, BRUNO CHEVILLON and JEAN-JACQUES AVENEL, my current favorite is BERNARD SANTACRUZ who has this "big boisterous sound" that we like. Check the following if you don't have them yet: BERNARD SANTACRUZ - FRANK LOWE - DENIS CHARLES: AFTER THE DEMON'S LEAVING (AA) FRANK LOWE-BERNARD SANTACRUZ: SHORT TALES (BLEU REGARD) MARC MAZILLO - ANDRE JAUME - BERNARD SANTACRUZ: JAISALMER (CELP) Glad to see Beb Guerin mentioned in that list. He is way too much overlooked even if his name reappears as some of the Byg-Actuel albums he played in are being reissued. Beb was one of the warmest person I ever met. He and Jean-Francois Jenny-Clark are dearly missed. They died too young... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 First post in this thread. I think I´ll be able to read it through in a couple of years, if only to practise my English reading..... and to learn a bit about free jazz from you, crazy FREE-zealots ) Don´t know if it has been mentioned before, but FWIW I´ve just seen at jazzmatazz that there are two upcoming Peter Brötzmann releases: NEW Brötzmann Clarinet Project - Berlin DJungle (Atavistic Unheard Music Series 246/FMP Archive Edition) July 27 — six clarinetists: Peter Brotzmann, John Zorn, Tony Coe, Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky, Louis Sclavis and J.D. Parrin — plus Tony Oxley: drums, William Parker: bass, Toshinori Kondo: trumpet, Johannes Bauer and Alan Tomlinson: trombones — recorded at JazzFest Berlin 1984 NEW Peter Brötzmann - Medicina (Atavistic 149) Sept 14 — new trio recording Great thread, guys! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Agus, stick around here! This is the real meat of the board Post some about your Ayler excursions, if you like! Lots of Ayler fans here, I suppose. Same goes for Cecil. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Agus, stick around here! This is the real meat of the board Post some about your Ayler excursions, if you like! Lots of Ayler fans here, I suppose. Same goes for Cecil. ubu You know I´m an old-fashioned swing lover, Flurin, but I try to enlarge my ears, even with NOIZE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Agus, stick around here! This is the real meat of the board Post some about your Ayler excursions, if you like! Lots of Ayler fans here, I suppose. Same goes for Cecil. ubu You know I´m an old-fashioned swing lover, Flurin, but I try to enlarge my ears, even with NOIZE!!! NOIZE? Where did you hear any noise? In the Ayler dirges? Hey, that's children music - try with yours, they'll LOVE it! (Make sure their mother is absent when you first try ) ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Yeah, Ayler´s music would be good as a lullaby ...with my youngest son´s cries as a counterpoint Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Yeah, Ayler´s music would be good as a lullaby ...with my youngest son´s cries as a counterpoint You could do some remixes, possibly - "Ghost (Baby Crying Remix)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alankin Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 (edited) Now available for pre-ordering: Brötzmann Clarinet Project - Berlin DJungle (Atavistic Unheard Music Series 246/FMP Archive Edition) July 27 -- six clarinetists: Peter Brotzmann, John Zorn, Tony Coe, Ernst-Ludwig Petrowsky, Louis Sclavis and J.D. Parrin -- plus Tony Oxley: drums, William Parker: bass, Toshinori Kondo: trumpet, Johannes Bauer and Alan Tomlinson: trombones -- recorded at JazzFest Berlin 1984 Gerd Dudek/Buschi Niebergall/Edward Vesala - Open (Atavistic Unheard Music Series 247/FMP Archive Edition) July 27 -- recorded at in Berlin in 1977 -- first time on CD Edited June 8, 2004 by alankin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 (edited) Welcome aboard EKE BBB! Care to join us in a ceremonial pre-order? Alan: I'm assuming the CD Universe link you've provided links through Jazzmatazz? If not, I'll visit your site. Now available for pre-ordering: ... ON THE EDIT: Just answered my own question: it does. Edited June 8, 2004 by Chaney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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