king ubu Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 ubu, regarding Dewey Redmond - he is one of my favorite tenor players. I actualy find his solos fascinating to listen - not only because of his sound, but also because of the melodic development - I find him a great musical thinker. Even though he mellowed down recently, he still can play some fantastic stuff - like on Momentum Space (with Cecil and Elvin, from late '90s). He is also excellent on Ed Schuller's "Mu-Point" (Tutu) and on Ethan Iverson's "School Days". Fro the older Redond's CDs, get his duo with Edward Blackwell "In Willisau" (on Black Saint or Soul Note) and his angry Tarik on BYG. Great man. Thanks for these recommendations, David! I hope to stumble over some of them. The Red & Black is said to be a great one! "Momentum Space" is OOP, I think (it's not just the small labels not keeping their stuff in print!), but I will look for it before it finally vanishes completely. I will have to return to my private recs I made of that night (don't tell anyone, willya!). It's been some time since I listened, but maybe one CD's worth of good stuff could be taken from it. The Ganelin is cool! Love it! I'm not through with it yet, but what I heard so far is really great! Explorative, lyrical, loud, virtuosic, musical, funny, impressionistic, swingin hard... Sound however is mediocre - it's a live recording from Moscow, March 1978 - Mr. Feigin tells all about how he got hold of the tapes in the liners... I think this should make me grab some of their Leo releases. Any recommendations where to start? The one Penguin gives a crown, or "Catalogue"? ubu Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) I have very few Ganelin Trio recordings. I really enjoyed their "Reunion" CD released last year on Leo. Geoff might be more knowledgeable about the Ganelin Trio. Regarding Redman, the only one by him that I didn't like too much is "In London" on Palmetto. It's with Marcotulli, Matt Wilson and Cameron Brown - I guess that's the band you heard him with. Edited April 4, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote
king ubu Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 I have very few Ganelin Trio recordings. I really enjoyed their "Reunion" CD released last year on Leo. Geoff might be more knowledgeable about the Ganelin Trio. Regarding Redmond, the only one by him that I didn't like is "Live" on Palmetto. It's with Mercotulli, Mat Wilson and Cameron Brown - I guess that's the band you heard him with. I heard him with Marcotulli, John Betsch on drums and a bassist otherwise unknown to me whose name does not come to mind. Would have to look it up. Betsch is cool with me. I almost bought the Palmetto CD unheard a few days before the concert, but then decided to go see him without having heard any recent recording. He's also doing a show, live. He ended both sets with some cheapo r'n'b or almost rock'n'roll tunes, wanted people to chant and clap etc - not my cup of tea at all, even less so after some good music. ubu Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 (edited) to be released on Thrill Jockey in the end of March: As I mentioned, Fred Anderson's other duo with drummer (Steve MacCall) - Vintage Duets (on Okka) is fantastic, so this one shouldn't be too bad either. Edited March 10, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote
John B Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 to be released on Thrill Jockey in the end of March: As I mentioned, Fred Anderson's other duo with drummer (Steve MacCall) - Vintage Duets (on Okka) is fantastic, so this one shouldn't be too bad either. from what I have heard this one is fantastic. This might be my most anticipated new release in quite some time. Quote
king ubu Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 another Nothing earth-shaking, but beautiful music right down the classic Ayler alley. I guess it's old fashioned in its way (as is much of the free improvised music nowadays, I'm afraid), but I do like it! ubu Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 I guess it's old fashioned in its way (as is much of the free improvised music nowadays, I'm afraid), but I do like it! True, to some extent because Mars Williams and Ken Vandermark are quite derivative players, IMO (I mean good - I do like them, but not too original). Quote
king ubu Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 I guess it's old fashioned in its way (as is much of the free improvised music nowadays, I'm afraid), but I do like it! True, to some extent because Mars Williams and Ken Vandermark are quite derivative players, IMO (I mean good - I do like them, but not too original). That statement was a rather bold one - I was also more referring to those now older but still wild european guys, playing still the same free jazz as they did in the sixties and seventies - I would not really know the US free scene well enough to say something like this about it. However, having Kessler, Williams and Hunt aboard, of course reminds me of my favourite Hal R. (which is cool). And I don't know Vandermark that well, but I did follow the thread about him, and I don't seem to be the only one not thinking of him as the most original musician. Now almost through with now, and another Though some might need some time to get used to the electric piano. I like it! ubu Quote
J.A.W. Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 And I don't know Vandermark that well, but I did follow the thread about him, and I don't seem to be the only one not thinking of him as the most original musician. And that's the understatement of the week... Quote
king ubu Posted March 10, 2004 Report Posted March 10, 2004 And I don't know Vandermark that well, but I did follow the thread about him, and I don't seem to be the only one not thinking of him as the most original musician. And that's the understatement of the week... You know, this is a good week for me: album of the week, understatement of the week, a bunch of cool discs newly arrived... Now into the first track of the Gustafsson/Flaten/Nilssen-Love disc "The Thing": ubu Quote
John B Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 I'm finally getting a chance to listen to some new purchases: FANTASTIC! A great live set recorded in New York City's Grand Central Station (you can hear the announcements of trains arriving and Tom Bruno thanking passerby who drop money into their collection) with some amazing and not quite as ecstatic as Mateen usually can be playing by both. OOP, but there are copies to be found. up now, Gerry Hemingway Quartet - Devils Paradise, purchased at the Gerry Hemingway, Ray Anderson, Mark Helias gig last night. so far, so good.... Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Hmm, I absolutely hated Mateen every time I heard him (a couple of times live and as a sidemen on a several recordings) - all these standard calculated "free jazz" licks, all solos absolutely the same... 0 originality. Durning the concerts I felt a bit embarassed and angry, really, - I thought some people in the audience who had never heard free jazz before would think that all free music is like this... On the other hand, a lot of people whose opinion I trust recommend his music highly, so I might check some of his records - and a sax-drums duo sounds good. Actually, I have a Test live recording on Aum somewhere - with Tom Bruno, bassist and another reeds player (who I like a lot) - Daniel Carter - I'll try to find it and will report my impressions here. Quote
John B Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 (edited) On the other hand, a lot of people whose opinion I trust recommend his music highly, so I might check some of his records - and a sax-drums duo sounds good. Actually, I have a Test live recording on Aum somewhere - with Tom Bruno, bassist and another reeds player (who I like a lot) - Daniel Carter - I'll try to find it and will report my impressions here. I think that Aum disc is a "live in the studio" release, but I could be wrong. The test disc on Eremite is live and the one on yod is definitely studio. All are great, if a bit unfocused. up now: Also very highly recommended. Gerry Hemingway, Ellery Eskelin, Ray Anderson and Mark Dresser. Great tunes and great playing! You can tell that these guys have been playing together for a long time and are having a great time doing so. This disc is available through Gerry directly. Edited March 11, 2004 by John B Quote
J.A.W. Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 I'm now listening to and I don't like very much what I'm hearing... Д.Д. is right about Sabir Mateen, he sounds a bit like the king of clichés. The recording's appalling. So far: Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Cheap source for Nuscope, Sketch, Nine Winds and other labels: http://www.indiejazz.com/ It's insane that we here in Europe have to re-import European CDs from the US... Quote
Guest Chaney Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 It's insane that we here in Europe have to re-import European CDs from the US... Tell us Americans about it! Japanese jazz imports anyone? Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 It's insane that we here in Europe have to re-import European CDs from the US... Tell us Americans about it! Japanese jazz imports anyone? COme on TOny, with some very rare exceptioons, US is the best place to buy creative music CDs, regardless of their origin. Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Hey, so I am not alone in my feelings about Mateen. This one sounds quite interesting (click on "play all songs" button): http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ckhuges Quote
J.A.W. Posted March 11, 2004 Report Posted March 11, 2004 Phew, this is quite a relief after that disc with Mateen: Thanks John, for inspiring me to play this wonderful album again Quote
Д.Д. Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 I nanticipation of the Fred Anderson / Hamid Drake duo disc, I listened to other Anderson's duo with drums: It's a good one (and Robert Barry is actually very close to hamid Drake in his playing style), and very nicely recorded. I would still rate Vintage Duets (Okka) higher, though. Quote
king ubu Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Cheap source for Nuscope, Sketch, Nine Winds and other labels: http://www.indiejazz.com/ It's insane that we here in Europe have to re-import European CDs from the US... The dreaded hats are only the most obvious example... Thanks for the link, will have to check it! ubu Quote
king ubu Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Anyone's heard this one? I like it quite well. Also parts of his most recent 2CD release (recorded live near Zurich) were broadcast on swiss radio a year or more ago - pretty good, too. Downbeat gave it quite a good review. Any Berne recommendations? ubu Quote
Gary Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Anyone's heard this one? I like it quite well. Also parts of his most recent 2CD release (recorded live near Zurich) were broadcast on swiss radio a year or more ago - pretty good, too. Downbeat gave it quite a good review. Any Berne recommendations? ubu I've got that Tim Berne CD, I heard a live show broadcast by him on Jazz on 3 at the the time(a BBC radio 3 show that I'm sure a lot of the posters on this thread would enjoy some weeks http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/jazz/jon3/jon3.shtml ). I didnt enjoy the Cd as much as how they sounded live , I remember a lot of fuss about Marc Ducrets guitar playing at the time but its Craig Taborn that I particularly enjoy here. Quote
Gary Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Having said that I haven't played it for about 6 months - I'll dig it out tonight. Quote
king ubu Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Having said that I haven't played it for about 6 months - I'll dig it out tonight. Thanks, Gary. I never saw him live. And I'm rather impressed by Ducret so far - his playing with Daniel Humair's "Liberté suveillée" project (also featuring Ellery Eskelin and Bruno Chevillon) is pretty good! I have never really managed to find out how the BBC3 site works - can these sound bits be downloaded and put onto CDR in some way, or are they just to be listened to online? And with what programme? Realplayer does not seem to work! ubu Quote
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