Д.Д. Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 I continued to prefered RUDI MAHALL (the most "dolphiesque" clarinette player today, for sure). That's my problem with Mahall - excellent musician, but too much Dolphy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 To be released on May 18, 2004 by ATAVISTIC... Mario Schiano: On The Waiting-List Atavistic Unheard Music Series (UMS235CD) Good news - Schiano is a wonderful musician (ubu, you can hear him on the Italian Instabile Festival double CD)! And bravo to Atavistic for digginig up this really obscure stuff. Thanks, I know! Also, I have a very nice LP by Sam Rivers, called "Rendez-vous", where he actually "meets" Schiano. The others are Dave Holland and Barry Altschul, the usual suspects... ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dorward Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Re: Barry Guy, try the discs on his own Maya label. The solo disc Fizzles is great stuff, as is the Parker/Guy/Lytton trio disc Imaginary Values. There are also the various LJCO (London Jazz Composers' Orchestra) discs, though they don't give a strong taste of his playing (Barre Phillips handles a lot of the bass duties). Harmos is a good place to start (NOT Ode despite what the Penguin Guide says). Schiano's a fun guy, but from what I've heard (not a lot) seemed to be a rather limited player. He does tend to noodle around with old standards even in free contexts, which is refreshing & a little cheeky. For instance, in a concert with Evan Parker I saw he tossed in, if I remember rightly, "Autumn Leaves"--this concert was eventually released as Social Security so maybe someone can confirm this. On Free Jazz at the Philharmonic there's bits of Monk, "Lover Man", a blues, &c. But they don't really play on the tunes--it's an affectionate ramble around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 ...There are also the various LJCO (London Jazz Composers' Orchestra) discs, though they don't give a strong taste of his [barry Guy's] playing (Barre Phillips handles a lot of the bass duties). Barre Phillips is not too bad a bassist either . Guy and Phillips have a duo record, don't they? - Anybody knows it by chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 ...There are also the various LJCO (London Jazz Composers' Orchestra) discs, though they don't give a strong taste of his [barry Guy's] playing (Barre Phillips handles a lot of the bass duties). Barre Phillips is not too bad a bassist either . Guy and Phillips have a duo record, don't they? - Anybody knows it by chance? a bass-fetishist's dream? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Posted this just now in the Cecil Taylor thread: This site mentions the 10CD "Two Ts For A Lovely T" Codanza box being recorded from August 27 to September 1, 1990 - this would make perfect sense, five nights, two sets per night. Does anyone know if this is accurate? The box just says "Recorded in London in 1990". Maybe someone here knows more? ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Has anyone heard anything lately as to the defective Brötzmann et al: Tales Out of Time on Hat? Is it safe to find and order this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 The Squid's Ear 1st Or So Anniversary Issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ayers Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Posted this just now in the Cecil Taylor thread: This site mentions the 10CD "Two Ts For A Lovely T" Codanza box being recorded from August 27 to September 1, 1990 - this would make perfect sense, five nights, two sets per night. Does anyone know if this is accurate? The box just says "Recorded in London in 1990". Maybe someone here knows more? ubu This is widely stated to be the case. I wasn't here at the time and was unaware of it. I think you can assume this is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Has anyone heard anything lately as to the defective Brötzmann et al: Tales Out of Time on Hat? Is it safe to find and order this one? hat's Werner Uehlinger e-mailed me a couple of days ago that my replacement copy will be mailed soon, so apparently the new pressing is available - at least from their European distributors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Posted this just now in the Cecil Taylor thread: This site mentions the 10CD "Two Ts For A Lovely T" Codanza box being recorded from August 27 to September 1, 1990 - this would make perfect sense, five nights, two sets per night. Does anyone know if this is accurate? The box just says "Recorded in London in 1990". Maybe someone here knows more? ubu This is widely stated to be the case. I wasn't here at the time and was unaware of it. I think you can assume this is accurate. Thanks, David I wondered since the day I got the set if this music was maybe taken from gigs that were spread over a long period (sort of choosing the crop), or if it was just a few nights' work - glad to hear the later is the case! Even more stunning! (Yet I still haven't made it through the whole set) ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Hey, page 100 of the funny rat!! That has got to be celebrated! Great that some interest in this kind of discussion about this kind of marginalized music is around And thanks eternally to David for making me hear "Arcana major"! "Arcana Major" is da shit! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 And thanks eternally to David for making me hear "Arcana major"! Only being an occasional worshipper at the Church of the latter day funny rat could you expand on this recommendation. I'm too lazy to check the other 100 pages for details. pretty please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 You might try a search for Gianni Gebbia - I'm much too lazy right now... "Arcana Major" is a solo alto sax disc, that absolutely blew me away! A truly masterful work of a young musician with (hopefully) a great future ahead. I am not sure that it can still be obtained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Hey, page 100 of the funny rat!! That has got to be celebrated! ubu No, no, page 38 (on my computer, that is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 You might try a search for Gianni Gebbia - I'm much too lazy right now... "Arcana Major" is a solo alto sax disc, that absolutely blew me away! A truly masterful work of a young musician with (hopefully) a great future ahead. I am not sure that it can still be obtained. I agree with Ubu - I bought this title after reading about it on this thread, I was a bit wary of buying another solo sax CD but didnt need to be - its fantastic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 My 'controls' are set at 40 posts per page so I'm at page 38. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Re Gebbia's Arcana Major / Sonic Tarots Sessions, a few sound samples can be found HERE. Here's what our very own Д.Д. had to say: Arcana Major... is an incredible record. Gebbia's technique is absolutely unmatched; his range is enormous (I didn't even know some of the sounds he produces can possibly be achieved on alto), the clarity of each sound even at the breakneck speed (means about as fast as alto saxophone has ever been played) is phenomenal, and his two-horns-at-a-time playing is the most convincing I've ever heard; but the main thing is his ideas - his melodies have influences of the south-Italian folk music and Italian soundtrack composers (Nino Rota), and are always unpredictable, humorous and captivating. On one of the tracks he does some sort of 'Vivaldi's Four Seasons' Winter' thingie - pheeew, this sends chills down my spine every time I even think about it. In last three-four years I've accumulated several thousands CDs, and if I had to choose one that made the most profound effect on me - this would be undoubtedly Arcana Major / Sonic Tarot Sessions. Buy it HERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chaney Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 No, no, page 38 (on my computer, that is) Me too. CRIPES UBU! Get with the program, would you! B) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks Hans for the information on the Brotz Hat release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 No, no, page 38 (on my computer, that is) Me too. CRIPES UBU! Get with the program, would you! B) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks Hans for the information on the Brotz Hat release. Did everybody except me adjust their board-settings? I'd be much too lazy for that - I stick with it: page 100! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 I make it 100 , it must be a european thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Let me add another for Arcana Major. I picked up a copy based on the recommendations of several "shady characters" who shall remain nameless and was very impressed. You should definitely track down a copy and give it a listen. Has anyone here heard this one?: Whit Dickey Trio - Transonic It is a 1998 release on Aum Fidelity featuring Whit Dickey, who is probably best known as one of David S Ware's drummers along with Rob Brown on alto and flute and Chris Lightcap on bass. The tunes are all inspired by Monk's "Off Minor" and "Criss Cross," as well as the playing of Ware. The tunes are great, the playing is fiery and lyrical by turns and I am very glad I decided to give this disc another listen after ignoring it (undeservedly) for the past year or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 No, no, page 38 (on my computer, that is) Me too. CRIPES UBU! Get with the program, would you! B) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks Hans for the information on the Brotz Hat release. ubu, you'd better standardize on 40 posts per page... don't test the limits of our tolerance -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anybody here heard Andre Jaume's "Peace / Pace / Paix" (CELP)? It's a trio with Jaume on ts and bcl, Charlie on Haden and Olivier Clerc on drums. Beautiful melancholic stuff. Jaume has a pretty unique sound (very soft) and melodic concept (...flexible - really free,meaning not particularly "out", but liberated - a bit like Lee Konitz, with endless melodies created out of nowhere). Haden plays beautifully and Clerc provides understated clever drumming (a lot of brushes). Interesting selection of compositions: a couple of Ornette's (in general, the whole disc has a bit of Ornettish feel, but more relaxed and melancholic, as I mentioned), four by Haden, two by Django Reinhart and one each by Buddy Collett and Jaume himself. Highly recommended. I got my copy from themusicresource. So should you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 (edited) Anybody here heard Andre Jaume's "Peace / Pace / Paix" (CELP)? It's a trio with Jaume on ts and bcl, Charlie on Haden and Olivier Clerc on drums. Beautiful melancholic stuff. Jaume has a pretty unique sound (very soft) and melodic concept (...flexible - really free,meaning not particularly "out", but liberated - a bit like Lee Konitz, with endless melodies created out of nowhere). Haden plays beautifully and Clerc provides understated clever drumming (a lot of brushes). Interesting selection of compositions: a couple of Ornette's (in general, the whole disc has a bit of Ornettish feel, but more relaxed and melancholic, as I mentioned), four by Haden, two by Django Reinhart and one each by Buddy Collett and Jaume himself. Highly recommended. I got my copy from themusicresource. So should you. you've sold me on this one, once my cd buying haiatus is over. It has been officially "added to the list." Two Norwegian groups I've been listening to a lot lately are Jaga Jazzist and Supersilent. Jaga are a group that would fall under the category of "jazz-tronica," I believe. They got a lot of hype in the U.K. a few years back when their first album, "A Livingroom Hush," came out. They do a great job melding the improv of jazz with the beats and technology of electronica. The band is comprised of Andreas Mjos on keyboards, vibraphone, and omnichord, Lars Horntveth on guitar, flute, b. clarinet, keyboards, sax and bass, Martin Horntveth on drums, keyboards, drum machine and synthesizer, Even Ormestad on bass and keyboards, Morten Qvenild on synthesizer, piano and cassette recorder, Kjell Åge Stoveland on viola and Lars Wabø on trombone Supersilent is a much smaller group, comprised of four musicians: Helge Sten (aka Deathprod) on electronics, Ståle Storløkken on keyboards and synthesizers, Jarle Vespestad on drums, and Arve Henriksen on trumpet and electronics. Supersilent is much more abstract than Jaga, sounding something like what Miles Davis' most abstract explorations of the '70's might have sounded like had he access to the technology of today. Their tunes are all completely unrehearsed and improvised, which makes the success of their work, particularly their last album, "6," all the more impressive to me. I love what both of these groups have been doing, and think either would make an excellent easy next step for someone who was already interested in "out" jazz and had an interest in electronics or eai. Edited May 15, 2004 by John B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 (edited) Whit Dickey Trio - Transonic Hmm, I didn't like this one too much. I like Dickey, and the bassist is good, but I have a problem with Rob Brown (not only here, but basically nearly everywhere I've heard him). Technically he is very strong, but stylistically... I feel he is comfortably stuck somewhere between 60's McLean and Dolphy, and this is not what I am interested in hearing from a modern musician... I will listen to it again. Actually, I remember there was one disc with Rob Brown that I liked - and it also features Dickey (on AUM): -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Supersilent, I've been meaning to check since you and ubu brought them up way back when - at the inception of Funny Rat. I'll check them out. And Jagga as well. Edited May 15, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 The man he had with him on trombone, Wolter Wierbos, was quite good, with a nice sound (Rudd-school), yet he did not have enough space, I thought. I assume this one whould have enough solo space for Wierbos: It's a solo trombone record on DATA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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