P.L.M Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 (edited) Ubu I have the two MUJICIANS in LPs (SAJ 37 & SAJ 55) so, I can't say nothing about the sound of the CD. I don't remember anything like that with them. But I will check to be sure. No, you don't have all the LPs on the CD. The titles are the same, but DAN SING MUSIC/ SECOND PART is shorter on the CD. His lenght is 22'13 on the MUJICIAN LP (so, it's around 12 minutes more than on the CD) and the closing I HEAR YOUR VOICE AGAIN is 20'13 on the MUJICIAN II LP. Yes, to my hear, MUJICIAN III is as good as the I/II. The exact date are what you guess. For the applause, I must check also, but as the final track is shorter on the CD and they have done some editing it's surely not the same thing on the LP & on the CD. But, UBU, as the LPs doesn't exist anymore (it's possible, of course, to find them in second hand shops or that sort of things), CD his the only possibilty if you want hear the music. So nothing to regret here, except if you have buy a default copy. Two anecdotes, here: Tipped was not publish directly on FMP because only the members of the collective (founded by Gebers, Brötzmann, Kowald and Schlippenbach) was publish under the FMP label for legal reason. The musicians who wasn't members was publish on SAJ - I don't know what the three letters mean - and copyrighted by FMP. The producer was always Jost Gebers. I think than that distinction disappeared when they passed from the LP to CD around 88-89. When Gebers has left FMP in 2000, he has taken with him all the early tapes from FMP because they was his legal property has he has recorded the musicians and bought the tapes with his own money. It's the reason than Atavistic reprint this early music in the UMS serie as Gebers and Corbett as make a deal about this material. Edited March 29, 2004 by P.L.M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Another older album I dug up: Hadn't listened to it for quite a while, and I was pleasantly surprised. I will try to see Gerry Hemingway live this weekend! With Eskelin, Reobertson and Helias - whoa!! ubu, you remember they are coming your way (Rotafabrik) April 1st? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 This: is an amazing album! Wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Will you guys slow down? I'm only up to page 12 of 41 here, and this is costing me a fortune! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 These Cecil Taylor albums on FMP are fantastic! Another phenomenal disc here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 This: is an amazing album! Wonderful. Isn't this the one that was re-released on hatOLOGY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 These Cecil Taylor albums on FMP are fantastic! Another phenomenal disc here. I see that you keep preparing yourself for the 10-CD Feel Trio box. He-he. Did I mention that Oxley is my favorite drummer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 One of mine, too. Saw him and Cecil in a duo concert about a year and a half ago. Sublime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 (edited) This: is an amazing album! Wonderful. Isn't this the one that was re-released on hatOLOGY? No, none of his 9Winds albums was reissued on hat. I have these Richard Grossman CDs: Trio in Real Time - 9Winds NWCD-0134 Recorded at McCabe's, Santa Monica, CA on October 1, 1989, at the Southern California Institute of Architecture, Santa Monica, CA on December 2, 1989 and at Beyond Baroque, Venice, CA on January 13, 1990 Personnel: Richard Grossman - piano Ken Filiano - bass Alex Cline - percussion Tracks: Unusual Hats Our Lizard Skin Shooting Stars and Flying Saucers Silk the Colors of Water Fanfare of Indigo Teeth in a Knapsack In the Air - 9Winds NWCD-0146 Recorded at McCabe's, Santa Monica, CA on October 1, 1989 and at the Southern California Institute of Architecture, Santa Monica, CA on December 2, 1989 Personnel: John Carter - clarinet Vinny Golia - bass clarinet, sopranino saxophone, soprano saxophone Richard Grossman - piano Ken Filiano - bass Alex Cline - percussion Tracks: Extra Hands A Hard Act to Follow Everything Else Is Away Henny Youngman's Bird Imitation Even Your Ears - hatOLOGY 515 Recorded at Beyond Baroque, Venice, CA on January 13, 1990 and at Harbor College, Harbor City, CA on March 27, 1992 Personnel: Richard Grossman - piano Ken Filiano - bass Alex Cline - percussion Tracks: Fresh Vegetables Even Your Ears Stickiest Day of the Year The Switchbacks at Big Sur Rubidoux Twilight Tomorrow's a National Holiday Where the Sky Ended - hatOLOGY 541 (the tracks marked * were previously issued on Magnatone 512) Recorded at the Southern California Institute of Architecture, Santa Monica, CA on December 2, 1989 and November 29, 1990, and at Harbor College, Harvor City, CA on March 27, 1992 Personnel: Richard Grossman - piano Ken Filiano - bass Alex Cline - drums Tracks: *Afternoon Full of Hummingbirds This End of America *Green of the East *Where the Sky Ended *Like Godzilla Moon, Tap-Dancing Outside I got the two 9Winds CDs from The Music Resource. Edited March 30, 2004 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Even Your Ears - hatOLOGY 515 Recorded at Beyond Baroque, Venice, CA on January 13, 1990 and at Harbor College, Harbor City, CA on March 27, 1992 Personnel: Richard Grossman - piano Ken Filiano - bass Alex Cline - percussion Tracks: Fresh Vegetables Even Your Ears Stickiest Day of the Year The Switchbacks at Big Sur Rubidoux Twilight Tomorrow's a National Holiday Thats a good one ! I bought that recently when hatology CDs were really cheap at Zweitausendeins & filed it in 'the must buy more of section'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 ... I will try to see Gerry Hemingway live this weekend! With Eskelin, Reobertson and Helias - whoa!! ubu, you remember they are coming your way (Rotafabrik) April 1st? I remember, but I don't know yet if I'll be able to make it (time & finances...) - thanks though for the reminder! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Ubu I have the two MUJICIANS in LPs (SAJ 37 & SAJ 55) so, I can't say nothing about the sound of the CD. I don't remember anything like that with them. But I will check to be sure. No, you don't have all the LPs on the CD. The titles are the same, but DAN SING MUSIC/ SECOND PART is shorter on the CD. His lenght is 22'13 on the MUJICIAN LP (so, it's around 12 minutes more than on the CD) and the closing I HEAR YOUR VOICE AGAIN is 20'13 on the MUJICIAN II LP. Yes, to my hear, MUJICIAN III is as good as the I/II. The exact date are what you guess. For the applause, I must check also, but as the final track is shorter on the CD and they have done some editing it's surely not the same thing on the LP & on the CD. But, UBU, as the LPs doesn't exist anymore (it's possible, of course, to find them in second hand shops or that sort of things), CD his the only possibilty if you want hear the music. So nothing to regret here, except if you have buy a default copy. Two anecdotes, here: Tipped was not publish directly on FMP because only the members of the collective (founded by Gebers, Brötzmann, Kowald and Schlippenbach) was publish under the FMP label for legal reason. The musicians who wasn't members was publish on SAJ - I don't know what the three letters mean - and copyrighted by FMP. The producer was always Jost Gebers. I think than that distinction disappeared when they passed from the LP to CD around 88-89. When Gebers has left FMP in 2000, he has taken with him all the early tapes from FMP because they was his legal property has he has recorded the musicians and bought the tapes with his own money. It's the reason than Atavistic reprint this early music in the UMS serie as Gebers and Corbett as make a deal about this material. Thanks for your long reply! These are the timings from the FMP site: 01. … all time, all time … 10:47 02. … I´ve got the map, I´m coming home 10:19 03. … Dan sing music/first part 20:09 04. … Dan sing music/second part 10:44 05. … I hear your voice again 16:49 Total time: 68:48 I don't have my disc at hand, but that's exactly what I have. What crap! Editing such performances! Bastards! Is "Mujician III" complete on CD? Otherwise I have to look for the LPs of all of them (there's a cool used LP store here - they might turn up there one day). This is Vol. 3: 01. I love you, Julie 22:56 02. August air 47:09 Total time: 69:49 Thanks a lot! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 (edited) I have three out of four of this GROSSMAN (TRIO IN REAL TIME, and the two HATOLOGY). All are funtastics but my favorite is the 9 Winds one. The guy died too early in 1992. Another unsung heroes of the avant-garde piano. Edited March 31, 2004 by P.L.M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 UBU, MUJICIAN III exists only as a CD. David, I hope you'll have a good concert. Myself, tonight I'm going to see PAUL BLEY in solo somewhere near the Neederland border. I hope PB will be in better physical shape than two years ago when I saw him in Brussel. Thursday night, if I can find a lift, I'll try to go back to the same place to see MISHA MENGELBERG & DAVE DOUGLAS in duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 UBU, MUJICIAN III exists only as a CD. David, I hope you'll have a good concert. Myself, tonight I'm going to see PAUL BLEY in solo somewhere near the Neederland border. I hope PB will be in better physical shape than two years ago when I saw him in Brussel. Thursday night, if I can find a lift, I'll try to go back to the same place to see MISHA MENGELBERG & DAVE DOUGLAS in duo. Have fun! I'll see the Tomasz Stanko quartet tonight (but I almost fall asleep now, already!) David, tell us how it was, might push me over the edge on April 1. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Д.Д. Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 (edited) David, tell us how it was, might push me over the edge on April 1. I very well might, but more on a retrospective level - the concert here is on the next day after the one in Zürich. Edited March 30, 2004 by Д.Д. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I see that you keep preparing yourself for the 10-CD Feel Trio box. He-he. Did I mention that Oxley is my favorite drummer? The thought has crossed my mind.... The Russian improv was received last night. I brought them into work today and will give them a listen after I get out of a few meetings this morning. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 David, tell us how it was, might push me over the edge on April 1. I very well might, but more on a retrospective level - the concert here is on the next day after the one in Zürich. Uh, I thought it was before... sorry. I'll tell you how it was if I make it! ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 (edited) As I posted elsewhere on the board, I was a little disappointed with this one: Hamid Drake is a bit too prominent in my opinion. Edited March 30, 2004 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 As I posted elsewhere on the board, I was a little disappointed with this one: Hamid Drake is a bit too prominent in my opinion. I thought it wa very well balanced between the two of them. I am a huge fan of Hamid's so I might be a little biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 I am really enjoying this disc! Closed Mountains is a 2000 release featuring Christophe Rocher on clarinet and bass clarinet, Jean Quillivic on soprano, alto, tenor and baritone saxophone, Roman Ros on violin and guimbarde and Yuri Yaretchuk on bass clarinet, soprano and tenor saxophone. On first listen I a reminded of ROVA, if the fourth horn was replaced with the violin. Great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.L.M Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 Went to see Paul Bley last night (good concert but not outstanding - Bley is a man in very very bad physical shape. I will report later) but come back with a bunch of records who has not much to see with the great pianist. - RAHSAAN ROLAND KIRK: BLACKNUSS (ATLANTIC) - RANDY WESTON: BERKSHIRE BLUES (BLACK LION) - THE IVO PERELMAN QUARTET: SOUND HIERARCHY (MUSIC & ARTS) - FRODE GJERSTAD AND PETER BRÖTZMANN: INVISIBLE TOUCH (CADENCE) - HAAZZ & COMPANY: UNLAWFUL NOISE - KGB 7076 (ATAVISTIC/UMS) - This one feature Kees Hazevoet, Peter Bennink, Peter Brôtzmann, Han Bennink, Johnny Dyani, Louis Moholo and it's a reedition from the neederland KGB label (?!) Any comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.A.W. Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 (edited) Listening to this one again: The music is indeed terrific, but I still think Drake is a bit too loud in the mix at times. Edited March 31, 2004 by J.A.W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king ubu Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Listening to this one (my only Murray so far): Pretty good one! The line up is Lawrence "Butch" Morris, Murray, Johnny Dyani, and George Brown. ubu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunky Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 (edited) thought I might share this photo I took of Thomas Chapin, GIJF, Old Fruitmarket, , rather hazy as to the year 1992/3? ok I have no idea how to display an image. help? Edited April 1, 2004 by Clunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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