Teasing the Korean Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 What is the excuse for labels NOT to put their entire back catalogs on iTunes or whatever? They're going to digitize everything for posterity anyway (one would think). There's no cost for printing or jewel cases. They can still manufacture CDs of the name artists. Quote
Big Al Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Why the hell, with the demise of CD sales and their constant lamentos, why the hell don't they reissue stuff that makes sense and hasn't been reissued seven times before? Those Impulse Master digipack reissues from the late 90s are great, with nice booklets, additional titles and all - no need to replace them at all! I agree, and yet it seems with this series you take the good with the bad: for every vintage (Terry Gibbs) there's another re-issue of another Coltrane album. I'll never understand it either, and since I can't really do anything about it, just keep buying the ones that interest me in hopes that the record company gets the message (put out more stuff that hasn't been issued previously, quit bombarding us with endless Coltrane repackages!) Well, I certainly agree with you, but almost all record companies, even jazz oriented ones, still pitch to the middle. Despite all the many reissues, Coltrane, Monk and Miles Davis must continue to outsell all the obscure artists that are on their first go around. If they really aimed at the Mosaic niche for instance, most would go under. Frustrating I know. I also agree. I think the last major undertaking of getting lesser known items out in the catalogue died with the Verve Elite Editions. Even the LPR series (which also seems dead) yielded quite a few items that hadn't been issued on cd too, but the Originals series clearly seems to be a re-packaging of items that have already been reissued with an unissed item tossed in here and there; a real disappointment By and large, there have been some real gems issued in this series. Yes, there has also been dreck (who wanted the Will Downing and Walter Beasley albums? I mean, come on!), but the real gold of the bunch (I'm thinking about Hugh Masekela's HOME IS WHERE THE MUSIC IS, which justifies the entire series alone, IMHO) has made this an enjoyable series. Plus, even a cynic like me has to admit that the sound upgrade really has been as good as advertised. The Getz bossa nova albums, for instance, are a good example of nice packaging, good sound, and a reasonable price. Yes it would've been nice to have the extra tracks, but I've stopped hoping for perfect re-issues, and it's made my enjoyment of the music that much more rewarding. Quote
tranemonk Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Posted March 19, 2009 Just finished listening to the Milt Jackson Live at the Museum of Modern Art... which came out recently... Really NICE!!!!!!! Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... Quote
JETman Posted March 19, 2009 Report Posted March 19, 2009 Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. Quote
Big Al Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Just finished listening to the Milt Jackson Live at the Museum of Modern Art... which came out recently... Really NICE!!!!!!! You got THAT right!!! In fact, I think I'll go put it on right now! Edited March 20, 2009 by Big Al Quote
king ubu Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 btw, it's my understanding that the LPR series hasn't died but morphed into the Originals series, which happened earlier over here (and for a short while they also did a "Masters" full-prize digipack series when the Originals were started). Discs such as the Raney/Brookmeyer, Lateef's "Psychicemotus", the Michael White, Herb Ellis, Howard Roberts and more were "Originals" over here, while they still seem to have been "LPRs" (packed as digipacks) in the US. Also the change from mini-LP packaging to digipacks took place earlier over here. (By now, the Originals are digipacks again, but in between some came out as digipacks, including the ones I listed above.) And yes, very true about the Masekela! Still my quibble is that in the Verve vaults, there'd be so many great recordings from the 50s that have never seen "domestic" reissue in a legal form (or are long gone again). Think of Lee Konitz and Jimmy Giuffre just to name two that haven't been treated properly. Both would be great Mosaics, but I guess the Spaniards have minimized the chance that Mosaic will do anything about these albums... sad. And Universal seems to have no interest at all. Quote
tranemonk Posted March 20, 2009 Author Report Posted March 20, 2009 I'm totally with you about the Konitz... I still have the hope that Mosaic will take it over... :rolleyes: btw, it's my understanding that the LPR series hasn't died but morphed into the Originals series, which happened earlier over here (and for a short while they also did a Still my quibble is that in the Verve vaults, there'd be so many great recordings from the 50s that have never seen "domestic" reissue in a legal form (or are long gone again). Think of Lee Konitz and Jimmy Giuffre just to name two that haven't been treated properly. Both would be great Mosaics, but I guess the Spaniards have minimized the chance that Mosaic will do anything about these albums... sad. And Universal seems to have no interest at all. Quote
Ron S Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. The Philadelphia Museum of Art still puts on jazz concerts YEAR-ROUND. I saw Eric Alexander with Harold Mabern there, and the Maria Schneider Orchestra, and some group called . . . ummmm, let's see . . . what was the name again . . . oh yeah, ORGANISSIMO! Quote
JETman Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. The Philadelphia Museum of Art still puts on jazz concerts YEAR-ROUND. I saw Eric Alexander with Harold Mabern there, and the Maria Schneider Orchestra, and some group called . . . ummmm, let's see . . . what was the name again . . . oh yeah, ORGANISSIMO! The MoMA concerts are outdoors. You're in the Northeast so you know what weather's like in NY in the Winter. Quote
Ron S Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 (edited) Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. The Philadelphia Museum of Art still puts on jazz concerts YEAR-ROUND. I saw Eric Alexander with Harold Mabern there, and the Maria Schneider Orchestra, and some group called . . . ummmm, let's see . . . what was the name again . . . oh yeah, ORGANISSIMO! The MoMA concerts are outdoors. You're in the Northeast so you know what weather's like in NY in the Winter. The Art After 5 (as they're called) shows at the Philly Art Museum are every Friday evening in the museum's Great Stair Hall, so weather generally isn't an issue. If you're ever in Philly and get a chance to attend, it's well worth it: http://www.philamuseum.org/artafter5/ Edited March 20, 2009 by Ron S Quote
JETman Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. The Philadelphia Museum of Art still puts on jazz concerts YEAR-ROUND. I saw Eric Alexander with Harold Mabern there, and the Maria Schneider Orchestra, and some group called . . . ummmm, let's see . . . what was the name again . . . oh yeah, ORGANISSIMO! The MoMA concerts are outdoors. You're in the Northeast so you know what weather's like in NY in the Winter. The Art After 5 (as they're called) shows at the Philly Art Museum are every Friday evening in the museum's Great Stair Hall, so weather generally isn't an issue. If you're ever in Philly and get a chance to attend, it's well worth it: http://www.philamuseum.org/artafter5/ Thanks! I'll do that. Quote
Peter Johnson Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Hey Ron--did you get my PM? Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. The Philadelphia Museum of Art still puts on jazz concerts YEAR-ROUND. I saw Eric Alexander with Harold Mabern there, and the Maria Schneider Orchestra, and some group called . . . ummmm, let's see . . . what was the name again . . . oh yeah, ORGANISSIMO! Quote
Ron S Posted March 20, 2009 Report Posted March 20, 2009 Yep--sorry I haven't responded yet. I will today. Hey Ron--did you get my PM? Too bad more of those MoMA concerts weren't recorded back in the day - NY Art Quartet, Jazz Composers' Guild Orchestra, Byard Lancaster/Milford Graves/Dollar Brand... I believe the Art Farmer Mosaic Single "The Time and the Place" was recorded at MoMA, which still puts on jazz concerts to this day during the summer months. I saw Brandon Ross with Roy Haynes' son Graham on trumpet a couple of years ago. The Philadelphia Museum of Art still puts on jazz concerts YEAR-ROUND. I saw Eric Alexander with Harold Mabern there, and the Maria Schneider Orchestra, and some group called . . . ummmm, let's see . . . what was the name again . . . oh yeah, ORGANISSIMO! Quote
colinmce Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Agreed about Konitz and Giuffre, but for the record, Thesis and Fusion are owned by ECM, so those would be no-gos. I really enjoy my LPR of The Easy Way, so I would certainly love to hear more from the period. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted March 22, 2009 Report Posted March 22, 2009 Agreed about Konitz and Giuffre, but for the record, Thesis and Fusion are owned by ECM, so those would be no-gos. I really enjoy my LPR of The Easy Way, so I would certainly love to hear more from the period. ECM does not own those Giuffre dates. They licensed them from Universal/Verve. Quote
colinmce Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 Agreed about Konitz and Giuffre, but for the record, Thesis and Fusion are owned by ECM, so those would be no-gos. I really enjoy my LPR of The Easy Way, so I would certainly love to hear more from the period. ECM does not own those Giuffre dates. They licensed them from Universal/Verve. Hm, I guess I got the wrong information, then. I asked about the possibility of those coming out as Originals, and that's the answer I got. Thanks for the clarification. Quote
king ubu Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 maybe they have some kind of long-term license... but a Verve Giuffre set could well focus on the albums he did before the Trio (those are around and you'd need "Free Fall" to complete them and that one's not on Verve anyway... also of course you'll need the great two-disc set on hatOLOGY with a pair of concerts!) Quote
clifford_thornton Posted March 23, 2009 Report Posted March 23, 2009 I'd like to see a Giuffre set that focuses on his work post-3, especially some of the 70s/80s stuff for Choice, Soul Note, IAI, etc. I think that would be really nice & interesting. Especially since that is material that doesn't get as much "talk" as the earlier work. Quote
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