David Ayers Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Of all the reissues which have been called for over the years this one rarely gets a mention and I'm trying to figure out why. It's Wayne Shorter right so surely there is *some* call for it? So why does no-one ask for it, and why don't they do it? Now the argument could be it is a bad record. But have people heard it? I've got the CC. Old timers will have the vinyl. Young whippersnappers will no doubt have leeched it off some site somehwere on the grounds they feel morally entitled to anything for free that they can't get in walmart for $4. So maybe y'all do know it and don't like it, or... what? OK it is rather 'cosmic' and hardly a key disk, but if it were Pharaoh Sanders it would have been out in Japan eight times by now. Clue me in - do the powers that be just see this as a dud? Do you? Edited February 21, 2009 by David Ayers Quote
Popkin Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 I believe you can get it as a CD-R on Amazon. I've been holding off since I assume Blue Note will have to properly re-issue it some day. Quote
kh1958 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 I take it the CD reissue is out of print and hard to find now? I have the LP and CD and like the album quite a bit. Quote
ValerieB Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 i most definitely love the album - for personal reasons as well since Iska was Wayne's daughter who died as a young teenager. Quote
seeline Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 I take it the CD reissue is out of print and hard to find now? I have the LP and CD and like the album quite a bit. Yes. It was a limited CD reissue, part of the Con series. Quote
robviti Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) limited yes, but not a connoisseur. it was part of the collector's choice series released around 1990. rather than being remastered and reissued, odyssey and other titles in the cc series were reprints of the initial release, except that the discs were white and blue rather than silver and blue. Edited February 18, 2009 by robviti Quote
felser Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 incorrect, it was offered in the collector's choice series in 1990. rather than being remastered and reissued, i believe this title and others in the cc series were comprised of stock left over from their initial release (in odyssey's case, it was 1987). I like it. Much stronger than 'Motto Grosso Feio' to my ears. I always thought that it, 'Motto' and 'Supernova' would make a nice 2CD set. Quote
Adam Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 If it was a CC, then it has been reissued, when it was a CC. So you're asking why don't they reissue it again? My guess is that it didn't sell well the first time. And if it had, they would have reissued it again. Quote
sidewinder Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 Fine album - it deserves to be better known. Very impressionistic. I have the CC CD but also a Liberty vinyl copy. Quote
JSngry Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 In many ways, this is my favorite Wayne album, period. It strikes me as almost operatic, a succession of arias which Wayne sings beautifully & passionately. Quote
RDK Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 Why do you think it won't ever be reissued? From your thread title, I expected some proclaimation directly from Shorter or Cuscuna. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 FWIW, CCs were reissues of the first batch of BN cds manufactured by Sony. So, by definition it has been reissued and reissued again. Quote
felser Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 In many ways, this is my favorite Wayne album, period. It strikes me as almost operatic, a succession of arias which Wayne sings beautifully & passionately. 'Juju' is my favorite. Love 'Night Dreamer' and 'Infant Eyes' also. Quote
7/4 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 Bummer...I've never heard this album. dB Quote
JohnS Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 No chance of seeing the unissued date from October 1970 then? Quote
David Ayers Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Hey! Don't all try to catch me out on the re-re-issued thang! You know what I mean. Those original BN CDs came and went, as did the CCs (which were a once-only, non-reorderable issue) and the Shorter is like a few others which weren't around for long and these days hard to find. Current reissues in US and Europe are well-marketed and stay in the catalogue much longer. So I am wondering why it hasn't had any form of reissue *since* the CC days (remember a lot of CCs have been on our collective wish list over the years and some still are). I'm not aware of any Japanese issue either. Shorter is such a big name I am a bit surprised. I've got mixed feelings myself about it but it is a special recording and, I would have thought, a must for Shorter fans and BN collectors. See this thread for more on CCs, for those not up-to-speed on these issues. PS there was Japanese issue - TOCJ 4363. A prize for anyone who has it. Send it to the address below for verification... Edited February 21, 2009 by David Ayers Quote
Joe Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 In many ways, this is my favorite Wayne album, period. It strikes me as almost operatic, a succession of arias which Wayne sings beautifully & passionately. I've always prized this record because of what it reveals about Wayne's tenor playing post-SUPERNOVA, post-Miles, pre-Weather report (though isn't there some dispute on the actual recording date for both this and the session released as MOTO GROSSO FEIO?)... though I think of it more as a "tone poem" -- maybe I'm unduly influenced by the titles he gave the pieces -- but a tone poem with a strong narrative, one explicitly concerned with birth, becoming, being embodied. Quote
six string Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 I think this is the album a friend of mine recomended many years ago and I see vinyl copies from time to time. I think I'll head down to one of my locals tomorrow and see if they have a copy. The record usually goes for pretty cheap. I think when I see it in the store I become confused with it and a few others of similar vintage that have been mentioned on this thread so I end up not picking it up. Maybe I should actually right it down in my little notebook for an easier confirmation. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted February 19, 2009 Report Posted February 19, 2009 I want a copy without ringwear. Quote
.:.impossible Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 I heard this album once about twelve thirteen years ago. I bet my friend who owns it never listens to it anymore. I'm going to make him an offer on it. I remember reading in the liner notes maybe... how emotional the vocalist became during the recording of one of the tunes. Is this the same album? Quote
ValerieB Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Nope. That's Super Nova. and was Iska's aunt! Quote
sidewinder Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 I want a copy without ringwear. I got one ! Quote
.:.impossible Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Nope. That's Super Nova. Ah. Thanks! So I'll be asking him for Super Nova then. Quote
7/4 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Posted February 20, 2009 Now that I've heard it, I think it should be reissued! db Quote
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