couw Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 After someone pointed out that a previous incarnation* of the Atlantic Tristano album that paired "Lennie Tristano" with "The New Tristano" did not sound so good**, I popped in the recent reissue "Lennie Tristano" album*** to check that assertion. I don't think it sounds bad at all. Not superb, but very nice, inobtrusive, a little hisss, some minor distortion, but also quite a bit of detail. Good enough for me and for a 1956 live (or even overdubbed) recording. So what's the deal? Does anybody know whether these are indeed brand new remasters? I do expect something happened between 1994 and 2004, but saw there has been a 1998 reissue as well. How do these new reissues compare to the former ones? I remember reading some remarks about the "Ornette!" album sounding better than ever, somewhere on this board, well hidden as a casual side-remark probably. I hear the Mosaic T/K/M set sounds better... * this one: Rhino/Atlantic 1994 (US) ** later backing out a little as maybe over critical of the sound quality... *** this one: Warner/Atlantic 2003 (Germany) **** this one: Warner/Atlantic 1998 don't you just love footnotes? Quote
catesta Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 As you know I just picked up the 94 Rhino/Atlantic copy. If there is a better remaster it would be nice to know. The sound quality of the Rhino cd won't keep me from enjoying it, and for a 56 session it ain't all that bad, but it does sound a little weak. Quote
mikeweil Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 Michael Cuscuna has complained at various occasions about the comparatively low level at which Atlantic recorded at that time, thus the hiss and the "weakness" you mention. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 As you know I just picked up the 94 Rhino/Atlantic copy. If there is a better remaster it would be nice to know. Chris, just in case you don't know, the '94 edition omits one track from the "New Tristano" lp. In fact it is my favorite. Quote
J.A.W. Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 Just get the Mosaic set before it's too late... Quote
couw Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 Just get the Mosaic set before it's too late... working on that! Quote
catesta Posted April 22, 2004 Report Posted April 22, 2004 As you know I just picked up the 94 Rhino/Atlantic copy. If there is a better remaster it would be nice to know. Chris, just in case you don't know, the '94 edition omits one track from the "New Tristano" lp. In fact it is my favorite. I was ignorant of it and in a hurry when I ordered the cd. The review I read mentioned the missing track was a real gem, you just confirmed that for me. B) Couw, hurry up and get the Mosaic. Quote
king ubu Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 Couw, hurry up and get the Mosaic. Now don't you know couw like's Mosaics about as much as he likes Miles? ubu Quote
J.A.W. Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 Couw, hurry up and get the Mosaic. Now don't you know couw like's Mosaics about as much as he likes Miles? ubu You'd be surprised! Quote
king ubu Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 Couw, hurry up and get the Mosaic. Now don't you know couw like's Mosaics about as much as he likes Miles? ubu You'd be surprised! Oh, sure, I know John likes surprises (as do I ), and I guess if he does not have to get it the "regular way"... ubu Quote
couw Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 couw surprised himself and ordered the set having been on a Tristano / Konitz / Marsh binge for several months now, I thought why spend all the money on the single CDs and all the time on finding them. Why not order the set, which offers stuff otherwise unavailable and at the best possible sound at that. This is music I really sit down for and listen to, unlike much of the other stuff I have, which I play while doing many other things. Quote
king ubu Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 couw surprised himself and ordered the set having been on a Tristano / Konitz / Marsh binge for several months now, I thought why spend all the money on the single CDs and all the time on finding them. Why not order the set, which offers stuff otherwise unavailable and at the best possible sound at that. This is music I really sit down for and listen to, unlike much of the other stuff I have, which I play while doing many other things. Good for you, John! Seriously, you'll be in for some great music! ubu Quote
Tony Pusey Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 I am really confused about this series. Several,like the Lateef, and the Bill Evans were issued recently in digi.packs, also under the Warner Jazz classics series. When I saw this series I was pleased that these cheapo cheapo digis were being superceded, then a couple months back the Jazz Review has an ad for new releases in this Warner Jazz Masters series,inc Ornettes Twins, Bags and Trane again in the digi packaging! What the hell is going on ?Erudition required! Quote
king ubu Posted April 23, 2004 Report Posted April 23, 2004 I am really confused about this series. Several,like the Lateef, and the Bill Evans were issued recently in digi.packs, also under the Warner Jazz classics series. When I saw this series I was pleased that these cheapo cheapo digis were being superceded, then a couple months back the Jazz Review has an ad for new releases in this Warner Jazz Masters series,inc Ornettes Twins, Bags and Trane again in the digi packaging! What the hell is going on ?Erudition required! No one knows! I wondered about this, too. But then it seems Warner has no real concept behind their reissues. And some of these series seem to be european. ubu Quote
Tony Pusey Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Jazz Review advertises a new batch of these, including Mingus, the Clown and Oh Yeah, McCann and Harris Swiss Movement, Coltrane Sound and Plays the Blues, Lateef, Detroit and so on. Which type are these- the cheapo digi packs or the Jewel cases? Ubu? Brownie? any body ? Quote
king ubu Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Can't offer any help here, this is rather confusing... Does anyone have a complete list? ubu Quote
Claude Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) Here's the list of "Warner Jazz Masters" CDs from the german Warner site, if this may help: Link Edit: Go to http://www.warnerclassics.de and click on the link "Lesen Sie hier mehr zu diesem Album" below the Milt Jackson/John Coltrane album Edited May 3, 2004 by Claude Quote
king ubu Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Claude, your link doesn't work right. I know that site, and they do list the "Atlantic Masters" series, digipacks that look like this: However, they don't list the french releases. ubu Quote
Tony Pusey Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Claude, thanks for the link, but it seems to mix both the 2 series indescriminately,erudition and clarification still required! Quote
king ubu Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Claude, thanks for the link, but it seems to mix both the 2 series indescriminately,erudition and clarification still required! Uh, Claude, sorry, I didn't look right! They are there, but mixed, as Tony says. And strangely the link now works fine! It really didn't when you posted it! ubu Quote
king ubu Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Claude, thanks for the link, but it seems to mix both the 2 series indescriminately,erudition and clarification still required! And there are even some "Atlantic Original Sound" items listed at the end! Pure chaos, it seems! Also some new releases (as opposed to reissues), as the Yellowjackets disc. ubu Quote
Claude Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 The recent "Ornette!" reissue (release date October 2003) which I bought at Zweitausendeins came in a regular transparent jewel case. http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000C24JW/ Quote
bebopbob Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Is there any word about releasing the Ray Charles Presents Fathead Newman CD in the US? If not, does anyone know where I can buy a copy at a reasonable price? Thanks. Quote
cayetano Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 Amazon France: http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000...3242323-7757845 Quote
bebopbob Posted May 3, 2004 Report Posted May 3, 2004 (edited) Thanks for the link. If only I studied French instead of Latin in high school. Edited May 3, 2004 by bebopbob Quote
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