Francis Davis Wins Grammy

[AllenLowe]

it's official - congrats to Francis - he actually went to LA, and went on stage after they opened the envelope to reveal the winner -

[Dan Gould]

If this won't bring out Clem or one of his alter-egos, nothing will.

[AllenLowe]

exactly my thoughts - lets flush 'em out -

[Christiern]

You'll have to sit through a lot of Grammy Crap, but you can see Francis accept his if you go to the stream of the pre-Grammy show.

This is the part of the show that wasn't telecast, and it is every bit as awful as the prime time thing. As usual, it is poorly conceived, but some of the credit for bringing these shows into the farcical arena goes to the winners and presenters. Notice how Jolanda Adams pronounces Jack DeJohnette's name—she has obviously never heard of him. Most obnoxious, however, are the two guys (one identifies himself as Eli Wolf) who—against the show's rules—hop on stage to accept an award for Al Green, then return for another one (but are mercifully cut off).

[Quasimado]

exactly my thoughts - lets flush 'em out -

Do you mean to say our ex- soul sister (the lady with the questionable mouth) is still around?

I'm shocked to hear this ...

Q

[BFrank]

Mr. Terry Gross!

[Chuck Nessa]

I knew Francis 10+ years before I heard his wife so that never crossed my mind.

[AllenLowe]

bumping for the new day - let us give credit where credit is due -

can't wait for the Tricentennial Edition of Kind of Blue - with the Edison out-takes -

[BruceH]

I started reading Francis at least 3 or 4 years before I started listening to his future wife! So, yes, it did cross my mind.

[AllenLowe]

actually, Terry is really Astrid Gilberto, but has changed her name in order to hide from South American death squads - and Stan Getz's ex-wife -

Edited February 13, 2009 by AllenLowe

[Christiern]

And Francis is believed to be the illegitimate son of Bette, conceived while she was on location for a film, "Beyond the Forest". There has been speculation as to the father—was it King Vidor or Joseph Cotten? Neither, said Ms. Davis in an obscure, unpublished interview. —from Allen Lowe's soon to be published book, That Devilin Me, and Other Pesky Things. The book will be marketed with a 67-CD set of previously unissued material licensed from historian Phil Schaap. With uncharacteristic modesty, Mr. Lowe describes these recordings as "scraps, including celebrity coughs and sneezes, from the studio floor."

[AllenLowe]

close - but we're thinking of including every record ever recorded, so it might require a few more cds.....

[relyles]

And Francis is believed to be the illegitimate son of Bette, conceived while she was on location for a film, "Beyond the Forest". There has been speculation as to the father—was it King Vidor or Joseph Cotten? Neither, said Ms. Davis in an obscure, unpublished interview. —from Allen Lowe's soon to be published book, That Devilin Me, and Other Pesky Things. The book will be marketed with a 67-CD set of previously unissued material licensed from historian Phil Schaap. With uncharacteristic modesty, Mr. Lowe describes these recordings as "scraps, including celebrity coughs and sneezes, from the studio floor."

Now that was funny!

[Cliff Englewood]

The great thing about Allen is he's not bitter about anybody else's success, no matter how trivial that success may be.

What the fuck difference does it make to anyone who wins a Grammy?

Start your own blog Allen, you and Clem, it would be great.

[AllenLowe]

thank you Cliff, you are as gracious as Karl Rove - and about as ethical -

[Cliff Englewood]

thank you Cliff, you are as gracious as Karl Rove - and about as ethical -

You're welcome Allen, you're as funny as an academic - and about as pretentious.

Seriously though it's only a matter of time before you win a Grammy yourself, they just need some new categories, e.g.

"Best production of over-elaborate mix cds of music that has become public domain",

"Best most misunderstood and unread liner notes that take a long time to state the obvious"

I sure a few others will come to mind.

[Christiern]

I don't know what kind of mosity we are seeing here (ani, I suppose), but the Grammys have for many years been a joke as meaningless as the annual TV circus that doles them out.*

*I assume that having received a couple of these trophies entitles me to criticize NARAS without anyone yelling "sour grapes", "bitter old man," or such.

[AllenLowe]

I'm somewhat bewildered as well, but honored that Cliff has obviously studied my work with a deep and religious conviction -

Edited February 14, 2009 by AllenLowe

[AllenLowe]

fixed by the miracle of editing -

though he did insult my mama -

Edited February 14, 2009 by AllenLowe

[Cliff Englewood]

Over the

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line

i.m.h.o.

Agreed, but implying that someone is a paedophile is very much in keeping with the type of person that, even though I’ve never met him, I’m sure Allen is, kinda like Clem but without the shred of talent and a lot more bile and bitterness.

Now where was I, yes, Grammy awards for Allen;

“Best stone throwing inhabitant of a glass house.”

“Highest number of talked about new projects that will never be completed (or even started).”

“Largest number namedrops per pointless anecdote.”

“Oldest A.D.D. sufferer ever.”

[Bright Moments]

The book will be marketed with a 67-CD set of previously unissued material licensed from historian Phil Schaap. With uncharacteristic modesty, Mr. Lowe describes these recordings as "scraps, including celebrity coughs and sneezes, from the studio floor."

perhaps the book should be called: Schaap's scraps?!!!

[AllenLowe]

yes Cliff, I guess you can't be one if you can't spell it -

[Christiern]

"Cliff Engelwood": "Agreed, but implying that someone is a paedophile is very much in keeping with the type of person that, even though I’ve never met him, I’m sure Allen is, kinda like Clem but without the shred of talent and a lot more bile and bitterness.

Now where was I, yes, Grammy awards for Allen;

'Best stone throwing inhabitant of a glass house.'

'Highest number of talked about new projects that will never be completed (or even started).'

'Largest number namedrops per pointless anecdote.'

'Oldest A.D.D. sufferer ever.'"

I don't know what happened between you guys (assuming that a guy is hiding behind "Cliff Englewood"), but Allan does not hide his identity, he has accomplishments that should be admired rather than flippantly dismissed, and he is a nice, admirably knowledgable person. I can say that, because I have met Allan.

What we seem to have here is a typical cyber conflict of a kind that probably would not have occurred without the anonymity factor. I have been party to such pixel-based flapdoodles myself. Some are irreconcilable, but most eventually fall victim to civility. Of course it does not help that we are on a board that tolerates extreme name-calling and slander from such cowardly mirror-kissing wannabes as the one who calls him/herself "youmustbe", so it is, apparently, up to us, the ordinary posters to maintain civility at the Big O. In the case of that poster, I see little hope, the hate is simply too ingrained, but neither of you guys have even come close to the gutter "youmustbe" splashes around in. Personally, I deeply regret the times when I stepped over the line, and I try to learn from such dumb experiences, but it takes two to really get back on the right track.

Now where is my copy of "The Dubilin Tune"?

[Quincy]

assuming that a guy is hiding behind "Cliff Englewood"...

Wha? Oh...man...I...am...I...slow. Next you're going to tell me N.J. Hackensack isn't a real name.

[Cliff Englewood]

"Cliff Engelwood": "Agreed, but implying that someone is a paedophile is very much in keeping with the type of person that, even though I’ve never met him, I’m sure Allen is, kinda like Clem but without the shred of talent and a lot more bile and bitterness.

Now where was I, yes, Grammy awards for Allen;

'Best stone throwing inhabitant of a glass house.'

'Highest number of talked about new projects that will never be completed (or even started).'

'Largest number namedrops per pointless anecdote.'

'Oldest A.D.D. sufferer ever.'"

I don't know what happened between you guys (assuming that a guy is hiding behind "Cliff Englewood"), but Allan does not hide his identity, he has accomplishments that should be admired rather than flippantly dismissed, and he is a nice, admirably knowledgable person. I can say that, because I have met Allan.

What we seem to have here is a typical cyber conflict of a kind that probably would not have occurred without the anonymity factor. I have been party to such pixel-based flapdoodles myself. Some are irreconcilable, but most eventually fall victim to civility. Of course it does not help that we are on a board that tolerates extreme name-calling and slander from such cowardly mirror-kissing wannabes as the one who calls him/herself "youmustbe", so it is, apparently, up to us, the ordinary posters to maintain civility at the Big O. In the case of that poster, I see little hope, the hate is simply too ingrained, but neither of you guys have even come close to the gutter "youmustbe" splashes around in. Personally, I deeply regret the times when I stepped over the line, and I try to learn from such dumb experiences, but it takes two to really get back on the right track.

Now where is my copy of "The Dubilin Tune"?

I don’t really see how hiding one’s identity has anything to do with anything really, when I registered I noticed that a lot of people were using slightly amusing jazz related pseudonyms so I thought I’d join in the fun, it’s a jazz bulletin board I wasn’t expecting to be posting anything I would be held legally accountable for.

So regardless of whether Allen does or does not hide his identity, and maybe he has accomplishments that should be admired rather than flippantly dismissed but perhaps Allan should consider this angle himself. I would say a large percentage of what he posts is flippantly dismissing other people’s accomplishments. This is odd considering how sensitive he is and how he reacts when someone does the same to him. Or even worse, not take him seriously. This thread is flippantly dismissing other people’s accomplishments, or hadn’t you noticed. Just because Francis Davis doesn’t post here that makes it ok I suppose.

I’m glad you’ve met Allan and like him, it’s good that he has a friend, but nice? I don’t know. To me nice is someone like Alec, who discovered that his local Newbury was selling a Rollins box set cheap and then posted in the “Offering and Looking For... that he would buy as many of them as he could and sell them at cost to whoever sent him a PM. He didn’t have to do it, but he did, that is a really nice thing to do. Can’t really see Allen doing anything like that, however he will spend time starting pointless threads like this one, the gist of which is, “Francis Davis is a dick for doing the liner notes to the new reissue of Kind of Blue and is an even bigger dick for winning a Grammy for it and then became a total dick for accepting it”. Not only that but also post a pretty much similar comment in an existing thread regarding the new reissue of Kind of Blue. If it bothers you that much Allen, write the guy a letter. Personally I can’t imagine anyone with even a vague amount of intelligence giving the Grammys a second thought, let alone being upset by someone winning one.

I don’t have any type of cyber conflict with Allen, or anyone for that matter, and I don’t think the anonymity factor had anything to do with it either. I merely made a half jokey, half serious comment in another thread where he was again flippantly dismissing other people’s accomplishments, that he has a tendency to go on and on about trivial details. He never seemed to get over it, sent me lots of really stupid pms and kind of stalked all my posts to add even more stupid comments, the paedophilia one was a new childish low(e). Whatever, if that’s how the guy gets his kicks good luck to him. I would have hoped anyone approaching 60 would be a bit more mature and would make better use of their 5 posts per day.

What I object to most is people using this board as a personal blog, In this day and age it’s really not that difficult to start one, if that floats your boat, but what I enjoy about this board is the sharing of information, reviews of material, buying stuff I would be able to get elsewhere at a great price etc, etc. Not the same board members who are constantly bitching and whining about other people who may have had more success and a higher profile in a field they would like to work in, e.g. Allen and Clem. If that’s what you want to do, start a blog.