felser Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Which brings up one of my biggest RVG gripes. Major pieces left off the RVG Jimmy Smith CD's which have the 'Sermon'/'HouseParty' sessions, which showed up on the original CD's of those sessions. What's up there? Don't even think of blaming Cuscuna or Blue Note for this. They went back to "LP order" after a few people complained about the shuffled order of the CDs. I think it was stupid and so does Michael, but Blue Note capitulated to a few vocal complainers. It was a small number of complaints, but it was enough that they listened. There's a thread around here somewhere where we debated it. A few of the more vocal complainers contributed their thoughts to that thread. I think that the issue here wasn't so much the order of the tracks so much as the fact that they excluded tracks that had been released when there was plenty of room on the RVGs to include them. I think that there is some logic to retaining the original LP orderings (after all a concious decision was made at the time to release them in this form) but not to exclude related tracks where they have been released before. Not that I think any of us are really in a position to "blame" Cuscuna for anything. Exactly. I think there's 30-40 minutes of great material MIA on the Sermon/Houseparty RVG's which are on the original CD's. The Mobley's included everything from the relevant sessions on both the original CD's and the RVG's. Quote
BFS Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Posted February 11, 2009 Lawrance Marable's Tenorman I only ever saw once - when I picked it up in Dan's sale. I then promptly lost/misplaced it. That was the Holy Grail for many years, wasn't it? How about those Leo Parker TOCJs? They're pretty rare...or so I thought? One's on eBay. There was only one Leo Parker TOCJ. "Rolling With Leo" was only issued on CD in the US. Those two US CDs by Leo Parker are hard to find even today. I almost included "Let Me Tell You 'Bout It" in my list of rarities above, but since it's reissue as an RVG, it's been in several used bins around here. No "Rolling With Leo" discs though. I've got both Rollin' With Leo (4095) and Let Me Tell You About It (4087) on TOCJ from Japan. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 I've got both Rollin' With Leo (4095) and Let Me Tell You About It (4087) on TOCJ from Japan. Huh. I guess I was wrong. Weird how the Japanese reissued it as TOCJ-4095 when it was never issued as BST-4095 originally. It was first issued in the 80's as a DMM LP. They're usually sticklers for originality, right down to the correct catalog number. Quote
Kyo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Wayne Shorter - Moto Grosso Feio Wayne Shorter - Odyssey of Iska Not that rare. Moto Grosso Feio is available used for $10: http://www.amazon.com/Moto-Grosso-Feio-Way.../dp/B001E4VXJ8/ Odyssey Of Iska has been reissued in the Amazon CD-R series: http://www.amazon.com/Odyssey-Iska-Wayne-S.../dp/B000008C8J/ Both Motos offered there are the LP, not the CD. And as for the CD-R "reissue", it's not really the same thing, is it? Quote
Kyo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 (edited) Which brings up one of my biggest RVG gripes. Major pieces left off the RVG Jimmy Smith CD's which have the 'Sermon'/'HouseParty' sessions, which showed up on the original CD's of those sessions. What's up there? Don't even think of blaming Cuscuna or Blue Note for this. They went back to "LP order" after a few people complained about the shuffled order of the CDs. I think it was stupid and so does Michael, but Blue Note capitulated to a few vocal complainers. It was a small number of complaints, but it was enough that they listened. There's a thread around here somewhere where we debated it. A few of the more vocal complainers contributed their thoughts to that thread. Why are you defending this behaviour on their behalf? The RVG of The Sermon isn't a faithful reproduction of the original LP (it has an arbitrarily chosen bonus track) but it doesn't make good use of the CD space either. It's just a half-assed release that doesn't really please anybody. And either way they could and should have at least issued all those earlier bonus tracks on a separate disc. They didn't bother even years after the RVGs. I ended up buying both albums twice to get all the material, not exactly my favorite episode. Edited February 11, 2009 by Kyo Quote
AndrewHill Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Wayne Shorter - Moto Grosso Feio Wayne Shorter - Odyssey of Iska Not that rare. Moto Grosso Feio is available used for $10: http://www.amazon.com/Moto-Grosso-Feio-Way.../dp/B001E4VXJ8/ Odyssey Of Iska has been reissued in the Amazon CD-R series: http://www.amazon.com/Odyssey-Iska-Wayne-S.../dp/B000008C8J/ Both Motos offered there are the LP, not the CD. And as for the CD-R "reissue", it's not really the same thing, is it? Yeah, the One Way Records edition cd reissue of Moto is pretty hard to find. Quote
user0815 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 The Japanese 'Procrastinator' and 'The Rajah' are both pretty rare I think. well, "the rajah" can't be that rare. even i have a copy of this cd, and i don't own any really rare stuff. by the way: great album! i only wish it would have some real blue note cover art. that cover looks soo 1980s Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Why are you defending this behaviour on their behalf? I was not in favor of these new reissues that went back to "LP order". The original CDs, issued in session order, sounded better to me and offered better value. As a Blue Note customer, you should complain about it to them. The complainers are who got it changed to "LP order" in the first place. From what I was told, these people also wanted NO bonus tracks either. Just what was on the LP - nothing more. Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Yeah, the One Way Records edition cd reissue of (Shorter's) Moto is pretty hard to find. Ah yes, 'tis true. (I've got one, though.) Quote
AndrewHill Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Yeah, the One Way Records edition cd reissue of (Shorter's) Moto is pretty hard to find. Ah yes, 'tis true. (I've got one, though.) My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I landed one used for $6 at the CD Exchange a few years back. Quote
Kevin Bresnahan Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 The reason "Motto Grosso Feio" is so scarce is that One Way Records wasn't supposed to even get that license. As I understand it, someone at Blue Note screwed up. Once their initial license ran out, Blue Note realized the mistake and wouldn't give them an extension. To make matters worse, Blue Note didn't see a market to reissue it themselves. FWIW, it's not may favorite Shorter date for Blue Note so I can understand why they haven't made it a priority reissue. I doubt it would fly off the shelves. Hell, when it was in print at One Way, it didn't sell well. If it did, One Way Records might still be in business. Quote
AndrewHill Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 Currently, I've seen a lot of Pacific Jazz and Conn 10 inchers really turn into obscurities. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted June 27, 2009 Report Posted June 27, 2009 TOMMY FLANAGAN: " LONELY TOWN" This was an unissued UA session - not a BN. I had a Japanese lp and it is not worth worries. Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 Yeah, and I still think Michael Cuscuna goofed up when he didn't put those two extra tracks onto the Connoisseur CD of the 45 Sessions. I forget his exact reasoning, but I doubt those tracks will ever see the light of day on CD again. Kevin, ..speaking of seeing the light of day..... any reason you can think of why 'Tippin' The Scales' hasn't bounced back into print? Quote
felser Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Kevin, ..speaking of seeing the light of day..... any reason you can think of why 'Tippin' The Scales' hasn't bounced back into print? To me, it's the weakest set McLean did in his entire run at Blue Note. Shockingly conservative and not too inspired to my ears. But almost all things Blue Note seem to eventually come back around. Edited June 28, 2009 by felser Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 when i do flac, i convert them to mp3 when u guys do it, do u like, have a separate "flac player" to play them directly on, or whats up with that-- its not really 16 bit cd sound, right? Quote
Hardbopjazz Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 when i do flac, i convert them to mp3 when u guys do it, do u like, have a separate "flac player" to play them directly on, or whats up with that-- its not really 16 bit cd sound, right? WinAmp plays flac files Quote
colinmce Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 Yeah, this thread is only gonna get longer as the next couple years pass by ... Quote
colinmce Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) In this vein (and speaking of non-BN BN CDs), Kenton's City of Glass has been fully discontinued on Amazon and is already listing at $27 used. BTW, last year's deletions are dropping like flies in this same manner so don't delay. Edited June 28, 2009 by colinmce Quote
BruceH Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 How about Bobby Hutcherson 'Oblique' RVG in the sought-after 'Herbie Hand-cock' edition. Maybe only a few hundred of those before they were yanked off the shelf.. ...And he does mean "yanked." Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 Kevin, ..speaking of seeing the light of day..... any reason you can think of why 'Tippin' The Scales' hasn't bounced back into print? To me, it's the weakest set McLean did in his entire run at Blue Note. Shockingly conservative and not too inspired to my ears. But almost all things Blue Note seem to eventually come back around. Hey, you could be right. Then again, Butch Warren is da bomb on the title track, which is all I care about. Quote
Morganized Posted June 28, 2009 Report Posted June 28, 2009 Several that have been hard for me to find include: Curtis Fuller Vol. 3 Hank Mobley Quartet Hank Finally picked up one of these. I am sure that when I finally acquire the other two for unreasonable amounts Blue Note will announce them as the upcoming RVG releases. At least that is how it usually works! Quote
CJ Shearn Posted June 29, 2009 Report Posted June 29, 2009 FWIW, "The Sermon" RVG is a faithful reproduction of the original LP. "Houseparty" has "Confirmation" as the bonus track. Quote
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