Gheorghe Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Such a great bass player! I think he was an ideal choice for Ornette Coleman. They really played some great stuff together, and like Charlie Haden he really had the knowledge and that telepathic sense to play Ornette´s music, maybe even more than Charlie Haden, or how do you think about it? I´m really impressed by the way he quickly changes from pizzicato to arco-passages and his arco playing (bowing) shows an immense knowledge of the instrument. I think he was a very technical bass player also. I don´t know very much about his whereabouts after his tenure with Ornette Coleman, only that he played at Coltrane´s funeral and with a string of new thing players like Shepp, Sam Rivers, but very little else. It´s reported he was much more into teaching during his later years, but died very early, suffering a heart attack while running after a guy who had tried to steal his car, or something like that. I think, during his short playing career he had found something like the secret key to really play Ornette´s music as spontanously as it´s supposed to be, he´s also particularly great on those tunes where Ornette is playing the fiddle, which some people hate but makes sense to me, especially when both Ornette and David are on it.... Quote
Niko Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 another very fine album with izenon is jaki byard's sunshine of my soul! Quote
Gheorghe Posted January 11, 2009 Author Report Posted January 11, 2009 hi Niko! Sounds good to me from the personnel, like a dream combination. Further information about the music, please? Gheo Quote
bigtiny Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) The Ornette "Live at the Golden Circle" albums are sublime. Izenson (and Moffett) really kick ass..... bigtiny Edited January 11, 2009 by bigtiny Quote
Late Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Look for the DVD titled David, Moffett & Ornette - Paris 1966. The company Rhapsody currently publishes and distributes it. Some nice footage of Izenzon there, and one's given some insight into the person as well. Warmly recommended. Quote
paul secor Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) David Izenzon's playing on the Golden Circle records is perfect. If he had done nothing else, his reputation (at least with me) would be secure. Edited January 11, 2009 by paul secor Quote
Enterprise Server Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 The Ornette "Live at the Golden Circle" albums are sublime. Izenson (and Moffett) really kick ass..... Ditto that! Love that recording session. The cover picture is really hip also (IMO). Quote
Niko Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 hi Niko! Sounds good to me from the personnel, like a dream combination. Further information about the music, please? Gheo just played it, i have a tendency to find piano trio records boring (i know we don't share that ) but this one definitely held my interest, which had quite a bit to do with izenons contibutions, lots of fine cello-like arco passages... definitely recommended! Quote
bigtiny Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Look for the DVD titled David, Moffett & Ornette - Paris 1966. The company Rhapsody currently publishes and distributes it. Some nice footage of Izenzon there, and one's given some insight into the person as well. Warmly recommended. Saw this a few years ago (on video tape). That's wild when they are doing the film soundtrack and they do this great improvisation to one of the film segments and the engineer doesn't record. I thought Moffett was going to go into the control room and kill him. =:-) You know, you hear about some of these guys being 'real assholes' and stuff, but when you see some of these documentaries, you start to get a more complete picture. Traveling around, no sleep, bad food, little money, then you have to go do some sessions or something and 'be creative' and you do it, just to have some other idiot not do his job....GEEZ! bigtiny Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Would love to hear all those tapes he and Perry Robinson made. Quote
Gheorghe Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 I must get that DVD! @clifford_thornton: tape with Perry Robinson sure might sound good. What a coincidence...yesterday I listened to that ESP record Henry Grimes made with Perry Robbinson "The Call". Sure you know it, but just lets say I really enjoyed it. Listening to it I also thought that Perry Robinson and David Izenzon also would team up very well... @Niko: Piano trios...well don´t worry, I wouldn´t say piano-trio recordings are my fist choice. It´s just that I´m one of Bud´s most loyal fans and since they recorded him with too many trio-settings (I prefer it with other hornplayers involved), I got all those Bud recordings. But besides that, very little else piano trio. The Jakey Byard thing would be worth buying.... Quote
king ubu Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 In 1977, Izenzon recorded and toured in a trio of Paul Motian's, with Charles Brackeen on tenor and soprano. The album is called "Dance" and is available on ECM: Quote
king ubu Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Oh, and isn't he on Sonny Rollin's magic "Trav'lin Light"? (on one of the RCA albums - two takes exist) Quote
7/4 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Would love to hear all those tapes he and Perry Robinson made. So would I. Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 we are all much poorer for not having heard the music and ideas david would have shared with us this past 30 years. it's time to give that well-worn 'golden circle' another spin. it's been in my favorites stack for at least 3 decades. Quote
king ubu Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Do get the RVGs of the Ornette albums - much additional music on them! Among my favourite 60s albums, that's for sure! Here's the jazzdisco.org entry of that Rollins date - one of the highpoints in Rollins' discography, I dare say: Sonny Rollins Sextet Sonny Rollins (ts) Herbie Hancock (p) Jim Hall (g) David Izenzon, Teddy Smith (b) Stu Martin (d) NYC, June 11, 1964 Trav'lin' Light RCA Bluebird (F) 5634-1-RB11 - RCA Victor LPM 3355 * Sonny Rollins - After The Bridge (RCA Bluebird (F) 5634-1-RB11) * Sonny Rollins - The Standard (RCA Victor LPM 3355) Izenzon is on bowed bass, and of course who else could have been at the piano if not Herbie - one of the most lyrical recordings in modern jazz, I dare say... I know, a few superlatives too many, but both this and the Golden Circle albums range high on top in my book! Quote
king ubu Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 I assume you all know this discography? http://www.mindspring.com/~scala/izenzon.htm it's not a complete discography/sessionography, but it's a good starting point, I assume... and it lists some private recordings, too. Quote
DMP Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 The only time I saw Izenzon was with Ornette, Charlie Haden was also in that group. It was late August, 1967, at the Village Gate. A double bill - Miles Davis played the first set (Shorter, Hancock, et al), and Coleman's music was actually the more accessible!! (Think about that - Miles and Ornette, in a club, on the same bill!! Those were the days.) Quote
Guest Bill Barton Posted January 12, 2009 Report Posted January 12, 2009 Would love to hear all those tapes he and Perry Robinson made. So would I. And I as well... Izenson is one of the relatively few improvising bassists I could listen to all day long playing col arco. Quote
AndrewHill Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 The only time I saw Izenzon was with Ornette, Charlie Haden was also in that group. It was late August, 1967, at the Village Gate. A double bill - Miles Davis played the first set (Shorter, Hancock, et al), and Coleman's music was actually the more accessible!! (Think about that - Miles and Ornette, in a club, on the same bill!! Those were the days.) WOW Quote
7/4 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 (edited) wow+1, man....I wish I could hear that one. dB Edited January 13, 2009 by 7/4 Quote
AndrewHill Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 Echo the comments above about the Ornette Golden Circle discs; I think the RVG remasters are one of Rudy's triumphs; the sounds just jumps out of my player! Quote
.:.impossible Posted January 13, 2009 Report Posted January 13, 2009 I know he has been discussed here before. Time to pull out the Golden Circle discs! I have the Byard album, and don't remember loving it as much as I had hoped to when I read the line-up. I'll pull that one this week as well! Quote
Gheorghe Posted January 14, 2009 Author Report Posted January 14, 2009 In 1977, Izenzon recorded and toured in a trio of Paul Motian's, with Charles Brackeen on tenor and soprano. The album is called "Dance" and is available on ECM: I don´t know this one, but once I heard a record of Charles Brackeen with Don Cherry, Charlie Haden and Ed Blackwell. Brackeen sounded so much like Ornette, it was astonishing, even the compositions though it was Brackeen´s originals, sounded exactly like something written by Ornette. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted January 14, 2009 Report Posted January 14, 2009 That Byard isn't that cool, IIRC. Better records in his discography for sure. Izenzon also played some nice stuff with Bill Dixon on "Winter Song" (from the Savoy 7-tette LP). Though Bill said he (Izenzon) wasn't really that comfortable with the music at first and had trouble playing "freely" if you can believe it. Quote
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