J.A.W. Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Guitar playing on jazz albums that sounds like rock guitar and organ in jazz aren't my cup of tea either. I think it depends on who is playing that guitar and what the rock tone is. There's a lot of guitar players out there. Organ??? I prefer the sound of guitarists like Tal Farlow, Sal Salvador and the like. Rock-influenced guitar sounds in jazz make me run in the opposite direction Yep, organ. Funny, isn't it, on this forum... Edited December 5, 2008 by J.A.W. Quote
Larry Kart Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 post-1958 Phil Woods Got to reluctantly agree with you there, for the most part... Cut date might be a bit late. Just checked, and the last Phil Woods recording that I know of that isn't "jazzy" IMO is Red Garland's "Sugan," rec. July 1957. Quote
J.A.W. Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 post-1958 Phil Woods Got to reluctantly agree with you there, for the most part... So do I. Don't forget Gene Quill, by the way... Quote
7/4 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Guitar playing on jazz albums that sounds like rock guitar and organ in jazz aren't my cup of tea either. I think it depends on who is playing that guitar and what the rock tone is. There's a lot of guitar players out there. Organ??? I prefer the sound of guitarists like Tal Farlow, Sal Salvador and the like. The rock-influenced sounds make me run in the opposite direction Being a guitar player, I'm really picky. That thin nasally pre-amp tube tone, I'm not too thrilled about. Big warm power amp tone is a different story - I like that. But still, it depends on the player. I generally dig a nice Jazz tone... Yep, organ. Funny, isn't it, on this forum... A hoot! Quote
marcello Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Anybody who plays the conch shells. Or steel drums! Larry, I love the "hotel tenor" description and I agree about Harry Allen. Quote
Larry Kart Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 post-1958 Phil Woods Got to reluctantly agree with you there, for the most part... So do I. Don't forget Gene Quill, by the way... While I preferred Woods to Quill before Phil went over the line IMO, I don't think Quill ever did that, though there isn't a whole lot of Quill on record AFAIK after 1958. On the other hand, I can where a reasonable person might always have found Quill hard to take. And yet, Quill never seemed to me to be anyone but his somewhat acrid, fluent self, while Woods seemed to have stepped out of a phone booth in his new guise almost overnight. I prefer Quill when he was away from Woods -- e.g. the albums "Three Bones and a Quill" (Roost) and Johnny Richards' "Wide Range" (Capitol), both from the time (1957) Quill was a member of Richards' rehearsal band -- the three bones (Jimmy Cleveland, Jim Dahl, and Frank Rehak) were fellow Richards band members. On "Wide Range," Quill has a solo on a way-up piece, I think it's "Nipigon," that would take paint off the deck of a battleship. Genuinely exciting. Quote
Chas Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Something about James Spaulding's tone and phrasing on alto makes me feel like I'm sharing a jar with a very angry insect . His flute work I like very much though . I don't have a problem with Sam Most's or Roland Kirk's overblown , vocalized flute work , but Jeremy Steig's I find histrionic . EDIT : How could I forget Paul Chambers' god-awful arco bass work ! Edited December 5, 2008 by Chas Quote
Larry Kart Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Latter-day Red Mitchell, when he got swoopy-soupy. In the same vein, though I don't think he was ever not that way, Bob Magnusson. Quote
JSngry Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 post-1958 Phil Woods Got to reluctantly agree with you there, for the most part... Cut date might be a bit late. Just checked, and the last Phil Woods recording that I know of that isn't "jazzy" IMO is Red Garland's "Sugan," rec. July 1957. Even at that, I can (usually) handle him up the point (early 70s?) when he returned from Europe and began becoming "iconic", which appears to have meant that whatever personal tension(s) had been driving his music was replaced by a self-congratulatory shower of alto-ism, where the differences between him & Bird became less relevant that the differences between him and Richie Cole. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Guitar playing on jazz albums that sounds like rock guitar and organ in jazz aren't my cup of tea either. That's interesting, as I actually think there's not enough "rock style guitarists" (as least as far as tone) in jazz, the sound of the guitar has changed since Charlie Christian, but many players never noticed. If you have an instrument that can create an almost endless variety of tones...USE THEM ALL! Amen! Quote
Jazzmoose Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but the soprano saxophone sounds to me like a duck farting through a kazoo... Quote
alocispepraluger102 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 electric pianos and keyboards, other than the heavenly hammonds and pipe organs , blow(wreak) even if they are faster. Quote
Big Al Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 I really really hate the bass clarinet. If a soprano sax is the sound of a duck farting through a kazoo, then a bass clarinet sounds like an elephant farting through the muffler of a '76 Buick Delta. Quote
Indestructible! Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 I really really hate the bass clarinet. It's funny, I generally hate the clarinet, but I really dig the bass clarinet (Dolphy and Rivers especially). I also have little to no use for the flute, violin, and/or tuba in most instances... although sometimes they do the job. Quote
JohnS Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but the soprano saxophone sounds to me like a duck farting through a kazoo... Couldn't agree more. Quote
Tom Storer Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Carlos Ward on alto sax. Billy Kilson on drums (has that boomy, fusiony thing that I can't stand). Overly brassy trumpet sounds--Leo Smith, for example. Quote
king ubu Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 quite a thread of confessions here... I think the only thing I'd generally agree are the steel drums (but there are those Beaver Harris things where they don't bother me at all... that guy Othello Molineaux - what a name! - who pops up on the Jaco "Birthday Concert", now that's all yuck yuck to my ears). Quote
BillF Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 There's a widespread aversion here in England - not in Scotland, of course! - to bagpipes, but in the hands of Rufus Thomas what could be more cool? Quote
king ubu Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Rufus Harley I presume? I recently watched a DVD of a 1974 Sonny Rollins show with him. He played soprano and bagpipes... it was weird watching him play bagpipes, as of course his blowing and the outcome were totally out of sync... it struck me how similar the sound was of his soprano and of the bagpipes (but maybe that partly was due to the mediocre sound quality of said DVD...) Quote
CJ Shearn Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Kenny G. and almost any other smooth idiot like that, when Wynton pulls out his Louie bag, not annoying but I find Dewey Johnson's tone on "Ascension" amusing, the tone of anyone using bass direct, especially Ron Carter's thin rubbery mid 70's tone. Quote
Rosco Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Hey! I play soprano sax and bass clarinet! Quote
BillF Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Rufus Harley I presume? Yes, that's the man! Quote
papsrus Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 Funny, a lot of the instruments mentioned here are interesting to me. If there were band with tuba, violin, bass clarinet, soprano sax, accordion and harmonica, I'd be curious enough based on the instrumentation alone to want to listen to it. Quote
7/4 Posted December 5, 2008 Report Posted December 5, 2008 I like uncommon instruments in music, but if someones tone sucks I don't want to hear it! dB Quote
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