danasgoodstuff Posted March 30, 2003 Report Posted March 30, 2003 (edited) I managed to see most of this last night while feeding and playing with the baby. They had some nice vintage clips but, predictably, it was skewed towards the recent posers. They managed to leave off Ray Price, Web Pierce, Hank Thompson, Hank Snow, Marty Robbins, the Stanley Bros. and others. You thought jazz fans were contentious? Check out the postings at CMT. And Hank Williams Sr. not #1!? I thought that was in the freaking constitution... Edited March 30, 2003 by danasgoodstuff Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 30, 2003 Report Posted March 30, 2003 That's pretty pathetic. Add these names to the left off list: Jim Reeves, Faron Young, Johnny Horton. I thought it was a corker that they did include Billy Ray Cyrus. I guess they figured he was deserving because he had a big influence on mullet wearing Americans everywhere. I don't even know why they bother to call it country music anymore. Most of it is just rock/pop with steel guitars. My wife has that new Shania Twain cd. I laughed when I saw that it comes as 2 cds. One is a country version and one is a pop version. The vocals were the same on both, but the instrumentation varied. I couldn't imagine throwing a George Jones record on and having it sound like anything but country. :rsly: Quote
Joe G Posted March 30, 2003 Report Posted March 30, 2003 . I thought it was a corker that they did include Billy Ray Cyrus. I guess they figured he was deserving because he had a big influence on mullet wearing Americans everywhere. I didn't know that about the Shania cd. How absurd. I hate the way Mutt Lange produces her stuff. Not that it's great material to start with, but they just make it sound so robotic. Jim was telling me about the idea that all those Grammys going to the O' Brother soundtrack was someone's way of trying to send a message to Nashville. Obviously they missed the point. Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 30, 2003 Report Posted March 30, 2003 Has anybody ever heard all the Def Leppardisms in Shania Twain's music. I know he uses different instruments, but you can really spot Lange's production style. I trip out all the time when my wife plays her cds. She gets mad when I say it's kind of like Def Leppard. There's actually a third version of Twain's album. An international version. That one is available for download off her website. I heard a little bit. It was really funny. Very east indian, but in a western pop way. My wife hated it. I thought it was the most intriguing of the three (that's not saying much, though). :rsmile: Quote
Jazzmoose Posted March 30, 2003 Report Posted March 30, 2003 danasgoodstuff, I'm afraid to look at those named after reading this... Quote
chris olivarez Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 Did Bob Wills make this list and how did Johnny Cash fare? Quote
Parkertown Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 AfricaBrass: I've always thought the same thing. The background vocals on Shania's/Mutt's last two albums are total "Def Leppard" background vocals. Sounds just like "Pour Some Sugar On Me"! I actually loved Shania's second and third albums. This latest is actually pretty good. Would've been much better if they eliminated about 7 or 8 songs from it though. 19 songs!?!? Too much... I'm a firm believer in the "leave 'em wanting more" school of thought. Some of the songs are great, IMO, but they all pretty much follow the same formula of her previous records. No new ground being broken here. And yeah, this ain't really country music; it's pop music with a twangggg. Quote
catesta Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 Has anybody ever heard all the Def Leppardisms in Shania Twain's music. Hell yes! All her new stuff sounds like her old stuff. Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 (edited) Thanks guys, I was starting to think that I'm crazy. Her music is so much more entertaining when thinking about the Def Leppardisms. I agree with Catesta, she has found a formula and is sticking with it. Shania's secret recipe. :rsmile: :rsmile: Edited March 31, 2003 by AfricaBrass Quote
Noj Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 Oh, the horror. I could watch a Shania video on mute. Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 Oh, the horror. I could watch a Shania video on mute. That really is the best way to watch. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 I thought 'The Woman in Me' was a great pop-country album. I was less impressed by the one that came next but could understand its popularity. I havn't heard the recent one - the odd song I've heard on the radio hasn't really drawn me in, probably because of all the reservations mentioned above. If you want great pop-country female vocals go for Patty Loveless - whoever does the quality control on her song choices rarely lets you down! Quote
AfricaBrass Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 I thought 'The Woman in Me' was a great pop-country album. I was less impressed by the one that came next but could understand its popularity. I havn't heard the recent one - the odd song I've heard on the radio hasn't really drawn me in, probably because of all the reservations mentioned above. If you want great pop-country female vocals go for Patty Loveless - whoever does the quality control on her song choices rarely lets you down! I was just teasing about Shania. She's okay. My wife loves her music. I just like to have fun because the production of her latest albums are so non-country. I'll see if my wife has any Patty Loveless. I'm not really up on the current singers. Most of my country comes from Bear Family or old lps. Quote
Joe G Posted March 31, 2003 Report Posted March 31, 2003 I took my wife to see Vince Gill a couple of years ago, with Patty opening. I admire Vince as a singer and guitarist (for sure), but it was Patty that impressed me the most. There was just something in her music that seemed to speak to me in a way. It was kind of nice, actually. Haven't heard her bluegrass album; I imagine it's good. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted April 1, 2003 Report Posted April 1, 2003 Patty's 'Mountain Soul' is indeed a great pleasure. If you like St. Emmylou's 'Roses in the Snow' you'll enjoy the Loveless. As to her mainstream country records they all have that glitzy pop-country sound with rather 'paint-by-numbers' rawk guitar bits and anodyne fiddle; but the songs stay in your mind and her voice is very affecting. I strongly recommend 'Long Stretch of Lonesome' - the duet with George Jones ('You Don't Seem to Miss Me') is a spinetingling bit of harmony singing. For other more bluegrassy or raw recent country seek out the great Gillian Welch, the consistently excellent Julie and Buddy Miller and vocalists like Heather Myles and Kelly Willis. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted April 1, 2003 Author Report Posted April 1, 2003 Jazzmoose & Chris, Sorry to not reply promptly, I've been away from the computer for a couple of days. Johnny Cash was #1 because, as a CMT poster put it "he's dying" which is sad but true. But they still used Hank W's picture to advertise the show! Bob Wills did make it, well down the list but ahead of Jimmie Rodgers and Lefty Frizell (I think)--all three are top ten to me (so is Johnny Cash, just not #1). Of course some of the posters at CMT complained 'cause hosers like Kenny Chesney weren't on the list. The retort to that was that Kenny "shouldn't even be allowed to watch"! Why not, he might learn something. The show did inspire me to buy a first(?) pressing of Ray Price's Night Life for $3 at the record show this weekend. Maybe they should just invent a new genre/radio format and call it something like "pop for hicks"... Quote
AfricaBrass Posted April 1, 2003 Report Posted April 1, 2003 I always liked how that Ray Price album "Night Life" was described as Countrypolitan. I love that term, it has such flair. :rsmile: Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 1, 2003 Report Posted April 1, 2003 danasgoodstuff-No problem for the delay.I appreciate your response.I agree with your observation on Johnny Cash.Hank Sr. probably deserves to be #1 because of his impact on country music but I do think that JR should be somewhere in the top five because of his tremendous output of classic music.Please don't tell me that Billy Ray Cyrus placed ahead of Bob Wills,George Jones and Marty Robbins.If he did I will be officially sick. Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 1, 2003 Report Posted April 1, 2003 Additional thoughts.Johnny Cash continued to do quality work even after his hitmaking days were over.Anybody wanting to lament todays country music and there is a lot to lament-might want to assign blame to Ray Price,Jim Reeves,Patsy Cline and even Marty Robbins,Conway Twitty and Sonny James-all who brought a lot of pop influences to the table. Quote
danasgoodstuff Posted April 1, 2003 Author Report Posted April 1, 2003 OK, here's the list: 1 Johnny cash 2 Hank Williams 3 George Jones 4 Willie Nelson 5 Waylon Jennings 6 Merle Haggard 7 Garth Brooks 8 Conway Twitty 9 George Strait 10 Alan Jackson 11 Alabama 12 Buck Owens 13 Randy Travis 14 Roy Acuff 15 Elvis Presley 16 Bill Monroe 17 Vince Gill 18 Charlie Pride 19 Kenny Rodgers 20 Hank Jr. 21 Ernest Tubb 22 Eddy Arnold 23 Rodger Miller 24 Flatt & Scruggs 25 Brooks & Dunn 26 Tim McGraw 27 Bob Wills 28 Chet Atkins 29 Glenn Campbell 30 Ronnie Milsap 31 Lefty Frizell 32 Charlie Daniels 33 Jimmie Rodgers 34 The Eagles 35 Mel Tillis 36 Toby Keith 37 Ricky Scaggs 38 Gene Autrey 39 Dwight Yoakam 40 Travis Tritt Let the flames begin! Quote
Jazzmoose Posted April 2, 2003 Report Posted April 2, 2003 Okay, I could live with that list if you just cross off numbers 7, 9, 10, 11....well, you get my drift I'm sure! Quote
Jazzmoose Posted April 2, 2003 Report Posted April 2, 2003 But Jimmie Rodgers at thirty-fucking-three????? That's like putting Louis Armstrong at number thirty-three on a jazz list. It simply makes no sense... And with some of these names I see, it's probably the wrong Jimmie Rodgers anyway. Quote
chris olivarez Posted April 3, 2003 Report Posted April 3, 2003 Toby Keith,Travis Tritt,The Eagles.Hell why not put that sorry ass Mutt Lange in there and some of those country boy bands that seem in vouge these days.That does it I'm officially sick. Quote
Alexander Posted April 3, 2003 Report Posted April 3, 2003 There's actually a third version of Twain's album. An international version. That one is available for download off her website. I heard a little bit. It was really funny. Very east indian, but in a western pop way. My wife hated it. I thought it was the most intriguing of the three (that's not saying much, though). :rsmile: Yeah, I've heard bits of the so-called "Blue Version" too. I agree. As far as Shania goes, the international version is by far the most interesting (which means I'll leave it on for ten seconds rather than five). Quote
Alexander Posted April 3, 2003 Report Posted April 3, 2003 (edited) As to the list, I would have put Hank at #1 and Cash at #2. No doubt about it, Johnny Cash is the most important *living* country musician. As with the best artists, Cash's music trancends the genre's boundries. It's great music, full stop. Not just great country music. I love George Jones too, but to me he epitomizes the genre, rather than trancending it. And, excuse me, where the hell in Gram Parsons? I guess introducing country to rock music isn't important, huh? Come on! "Sweetheart of the Rodeo"? The Flying Burrito Brothers? Kickstarting Emmylou Harris's career? Hello! Anybody home? I defy anybody to listen to "How Much I Lied" and not declare it one of the finest country performances of all time. How could they bury Chet Atkins at number 28? Edited April 3, 2003 by Alexander Quote
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