JSngry Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 I was talking to my good friend Dr. Harold J. Numbers last night, and he suggested this. It's an intiguing notion. Hey, it's all EMI, right? And we've seen numerous examples of hip-hoppers redoing Rudy's work (to say nothing of Rudy redoing his and Lion's OWN work), so why not? If the Beatles idea is too radical for you, how about some other items from the EMI pop catalog - The Beach Boys, The Band, Matt Munro, Gene Vincent, The Hollywood Strings, Helen Reddy, etc. Post your wish lists here. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 (edited) No Beatles for me, please. But I'd like to see him do "Tide" by Antonio Carlos Jobim, "The Wake of the Flood" by the Grateful Dead, and "The Band". . . for starters! Edited October 23, 2003 by jazzbo Quote
DrJ Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 Interesting idea. Not too radical to consider at all, however, I'm not sure the RVG sound is well-suited to the Beatles...a more expansive sound (at least on the later stuff) would fit the bill better IMHO. Maybe Rudy could do some of the earlier titles. Their catalog is certainly WAY overdue for a state of the art remastering, preferrably hybrid SACDs. RVG MIGHT just fit the bill with the Beach Boys though, particularly some mono mixes. Quote
GA Russell Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 In regard to the EMI catalogue, I would go for Very early Four Freshmen Julie London The Fourth Way (Mike Nock's rock-jazz band) If (Dick Morrissey's jazz-rock band) Quote
BruceH Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 A Hard Day's Night, Rubber Soul, and Revolver, if a lot of time and care were put into it. One thing an acquaintance of mine said that stuck with me, apropos Beatle imports, the Japanese know how to press them but not how to master them. (He was talking about LPs of course.) I'd also be curious as to what Rudy (or someone like him) would do with The Beatles (the "White Album") and an early one, like With the Beatles. Then there's the whole issue of singles.... Quote
AfricaBrass Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 I don't know if I'd want RVG to do the Beatles' remastering since he didn't gain his fame from recording rock bands. But speaking of the Beatles catalog, I would love to see the whole catalog reissued, maybe with bonus tracks like Sony Legacy did with the Byrds. Nice booklets with pictues, notes. They could take some bonus tracks from the Anthology series, or even have some versions sans-vocals, etc... They really deserve a top-notch reissue program. I'd even love 2cd Deluxe Editions containing stereo and mono mixes. One thing I'd love to see would be two-fer reissues of the Beatles early albums in their US Capital versions. I still prefer the playlist of the US Rubber Soul to the original British version. It just doesn't seem the same whan the album doesn't start with "I've Just Seen a Face". I curious about that new Let It Be.....Naked cd that's coming out in a few months. I'm not thrilled by the Let It Be....Naked title, it seems kind of goofy. I've got a bootleg of the original Get Back album. It would have been cool if they'd have released a album as they had originally intended in 1969. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 Wow; that's weird. At least to me! I'm so used to the British versions (got them in '75) by now that hearing the U.S. versions again would annoy me as much as the British ones annoy you. But what the heck, surely with the Beatles, there's room for both versions, right? Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 But back to the topic at hand, what rock would be best for Rudy's sound? I'm thinking stuff like The Jam, assuming Rudy could stand to work with such music. But then, I'll leave this in the hands of those with more knowledge than I have... Quote
AfricaBrass Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 Wow; that's weird. At least to me! I'm so used to the British versions (got them in '75) by now that hearing the U.S. versions again would annoy me as much as the British ones annoy you. But what the heck, surely with the Beatles, there's room for both versions, right? I grew up collecting Beatles records. I guess I'd love to have copies of the US versions because I listened to those records so often that I got used to the track order. Heck, there's a little part of me that misses the reverb that Capital added. But, I would never say the American versions are better than the British versions. The British versions were what the Beatles intended in the first place. I grew up listening to American and British versions side by side. My wish would be that the deluxe reissues I wrote about would be the British versions plus a series of twofer editions of the American versions (like Capital's Beach Boy twofers). I do have to admit that the American version of Rubber Soul, with the tracks taken from the British Help album, is the only US version that I like better. It gives the album a more folkie feel. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 The one that would definitely drive me nuts if I had the U.S. only is Revolver. I remember when I first played the British version...thought I'd died and gone to heaven! (Jeez, I am getting entirely too nostalgic today. Why, back in my day... ) Quote
Jim Alfredson Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 I'm sorry guys, but this thread is really really geeky. B) Quote
AfricaBrass Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 I'm sorry guys, but this thread is really really geeky. B) You're right, Jim. GEEK ALERT! GEEK ALERT! Back to the geekiness, Jazzmoose, I'm in 100% agreement about Revolver. The US version is terrible. I felt the same way when I first got the British version. "I'm Only Sleeping" and "Doctor Robert" are two of my favorite tracks. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 I'm sorry guys, but this thread is really really geeky. B) Why you always wanna pick on us, Jim? Did we ever do anything to you? Don't make me tell on you! Hey...you're not gonna give me a wedgie again, are ya? Quote
Shrdlu Posted October 23, 2003 Report Posted October 23, 2003 Rudy remastering The Beatles. Ya gotta be kidding. What a waste of his valuable time. Lon, there is a nice remaster of "Tide" already. It has U.S. and Japanese versions, which are sonically the same. (There is just the one problem: this latest reissue left out a bass flute overdub by Joe Farrell on "Takatanga".) Quote
chris olivarez Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 The remaining Beatles have more resoruces than jazz. The remaining Beatles may have more resources than God. Fuck em let them find their own RVG. Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 The remaining Beatles may have more resources than God. I suggest that we immediately band together and begin burning Chris Olivarez posts as soon as possible! Quote
chris olivarez Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 The remaining Beatles may have more resources than God. I suggest that we immediately band together and begin burning Chris Olivarez posts as soon as possible! Thank you thank you very much. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 S, I have the Verve Master Edition of Tide, but really I want to hear what a recent remaster by RVG of Tide, and really I should have said Wave, would sound like. Quote
brownie Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 New reissues of the Beatles are really not necessary. I know the albums have already been done for Mosaic but I would love to hear a RVG remaster of the Jimmy Giuffre's two Capitol albums (Jimmy Giuffre/Tangents in Jazz) and hope he does as well with these as his Miles Davis Birth of the Cool job. THAT one was justification for the whole RVG series. Quote
jazzypaul Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 I'd like to see what Rudy would have changed about those Woody Shaw albums for Columbia in the 70's. Great albums, great music, but they all sound like they were recorded in a broom closet. Everything is too dry, like a Steve Albini production. Quote
BruceH Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 I still prefer the playlist of the US Rubber Soul to the original British version. It just doesn't seem the same whan the album doesn't start with "I've Just Seen a Face". You hit the nail on the head----Rubber Soul is the only American Capitol re-working of a Beatles album that works aeshtheticly. I used to have a tape I made of the British version with "I've Just Seen A Face" and "It's Only Love" added to sides one and two, sort of a mondo-Rubber Soul. (How's that for geekiness?) Taking those three Lennon songs off Revolver was just WRONG! Like lopping off a hand and a foot. "And Your Bird Can Sing" has one of my favorite Harrison guitar solos, and a killer bass-line to boot. Now, imagine if the Beatles had thrown the "Paperback Writer/Rain" single on there, done at the Revolver sessions after all, to make for a 16-song album? Youw! Without a doubt, certain singles should be listened to in tandem with certain albums. A thoughtful reissue program would put these singles at the end of the appropriate albums (there's certainly enough room on a CD). Quote
AfricaBrass Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 I totally agree, Bruce! What I've done in recent years with the advent of CD-Rs has been to create Beatles' compilations of certain years (I know - ultimate geekiness). I've got a combo cd of Rubber Soul, Revolver, and the various singles of that vintage. It's great to hear songs like Rain along with songs from Revolver. Sometimes, I've thrown cool bootleg tracks in. Quote
JSngry Posted October 24, 2003 Author Report Posted October 24, 2003 What Rudy needs to do is re-record the last sustained piano chord that is the end of "A Day In The Life". Quote
Jazzmoose Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 Now, imagine if the Beatles had thrown the "Paperback Writer/Rain" single on there, done at the Revolver sessions after all, to make for a 16-song album? I didn't realize this, although now that I think about it, it's pretty obvious from the sound. Wow. If they had included those two on Revolver, I might not have even bothered with any other Beatles albums. That would have, without a doubt, clinched my vote for best Pop/Rock album of all time. And I don't normally make statements like that, believe me. Quote
Bright Moments Posted October 24, 2003 Report Posted October 24, 2003 (edited) this IS an RVG: (and d*mn good too!) B) Edited October 24, 2003 by Evan Quote
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