mmilovan Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 http://www.vocalgroupharmony.com/WhenIDrm.htm Who forced them to record such tunes? Arti Shaw was 1000 times right when he said: No matter how carefully and assiduously and how deeply you bury shit, the American public will find it and buy it in large quantity, it’s true, absolutely true Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) Uh oh ... seems like I tipped you off to a site full of goodies! :D Anyway .... who was it again who said that (to paraphrase the actual quote) "you cannot go wrong underestimating the taste of the (American??) public"? As for this particular tune, I guess songs like this just are a sign of the times. Some of what Herb Jeffries did around those times was very much an acquired taste too. Not something for the jazz lovers. Remember jazz (and even really meaty R&B) ALWAYS was a minority section of the overall record market. Edited August 4, 2008 by Big Beat Steve Quote
Stereojack Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 http://www.vocalgroupharmony.com/WhenIDrm.htm Who forced them to record such tunes? Forced them? Look who composed When I Dream of You. The arrangement is a dog, agreed. Nice tenor on the instrumental side. Quote
mmilovan Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Posted August 4, 2008 http://www.vocalgroupharmony.com/WhenIDrm.htm Who forced them to record such tunes? Forced them? Look who composed When I Dream of You. Disaster, total disaster... Quote
mmilovan Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) Uh oh ... seems like I tipped you off to a site full of goodies! :D Anyway .... who was it again who said that (to paraphrase the actual quote) "you cannot go wrong underestimating the taste of the (American??) public"? As for this particular tune, I guess songs like this just are a sign of the times. Some of what Herb Jeffries did around those times was very much an acquired taste too. Not something for the jazz lovers. Remember jazz (and even really meaty R&B) ALWAYS was a minority section of the overall record market. Of course, but having known what Hines did in previous decade this is downfall to hell... And, I agree with you about Herb, those albums he did with strings are full of saccharin. Edited August 4, 2008 by mmilovan Quote
Tom Storer Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 It's a bit of empty commercial pap, but I still enjoy hearing Hartman sing it (and if the audio quality wasn't so painful I'd like it even more). The corniness of it is very dated, but hell, they were just trying to make a buck. This is no worse than some of the funky commercial pap produced by jazz musicians trying to make a buck in the 70's, for example. Quote
AllenLowe Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 are there Earl Hines fans here (other than me)? It's funny, because as I was just getting ready to sell some CDs, I thought, I have NEVER been able to sell a Hines CD on Organissimo - glad there's a few Hinesians speaking up - he's probably my favorite pianist next to Bud Powell- Quote
AllenLowe Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 weird thing is, I kinda like that version of I Dream of You - Quote
Alexander Hawkins Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 Count me in as a fan - the late Ellington set is nothing short of genius! Quote
BruceH Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 are there Earl Hines fans here (other than me)? It's funny, because as I was just getting ready to sell some CDs, I thought, I have NEVER been able to sell a Hines CD on Organissimo - glad there's a few Hinesians speaking up - he's probably my favorite pianist next to Bud Powell- I've long considered myself a fan of Earl Hines. Not a Johnny Hartman fan though...never much liked that style of singing. Quote
mmilovan Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Posted August 4, 2008 I like Hines and Hartman a lot... but I like Teddy Wilson even more than Hines... Quote
AllenLowe Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 (edited) amazing thing about him was that his best playing was really post-1960 when he made his comeback - Edited August 4, 2008 by AllenLowe Quote
Hot Ptah Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 Hines is a big favorite of mine. I grabbed every Hines LP which I discovered in the Music Exchange's $1/album liquidation sale, which I have described elsewhere on this forum. There were quite a few Hines LPs from after 1960. I found a lode of them in a box of mostly polka music. That's the way that the Music Exchange's $1 sale goes. I have also learned that Amoeba bought what they wanted from the Music Exchange's 1 million LPs, before the rest of the collection was put on sale to the public. It is surprising how much great music remains. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 4, 2008 Report Posted August 4, 2008 Hines, Cecil, Bud, Tatum, Duke - that sums it up for me. Soft spots for James P and the Lion. Chiaroscuro is missing sales from me by not transferring everything they own to cd. Quote
paul secor Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 Hines, Cecil, Bud, Tatum, Duke - that sums it up for me. Soft spots for James P and the Lion. Chiaroscuro is missing sales from me by not transferring everything they own to cd. No Monk? Quote
Larry Kart Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 There are some topnotch late Hines solo albums on the Australian label Swaggie, including an album of compositions by Dave Dallwitz. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 Hines, Cecil, Bud, Tatum, Duke - that sums it up for me. Soft spots for James P and the Lion. Chiaroscuro is missing sales from me by not transferring everything they own to cd. No Monk? Knew I'd miss some. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 Got the Swaggies, some of which are MJR recordings. Quote
Kalo Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 Gee, I could swear there are at least a few laudatory Hines threads already in existence on this here board. Quote
Dan Gould Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 well, then hopefully there will be a buyer for my rare double LP, Concert in Argentina with solo sets by Hines, McPartland, Teddy Wilson and Ellis Larkins. Quote
Alexander Hawkins Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 amazing thing about him was that his best playing was really post-1960 when he made his comeback - Now that is fighting talk Quote
AllenLowe Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 I particularly love the Black Lion solo sets - Quote
Tom Storer Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 I met a guy once who, when he found out I was a jazz fan, told me had once seen an old pianist play in new York in the early 70's and got to talking to him. The pianist invited him to his hotel room with some other hangers-on and they hung around smoking pot and carrying on into the wee hours. "You must know this guy! He was amazing! His name was... Father something." "Uh... could it have been Earl 'Fatha' Hines?" "Yes! That's it! Father Hines! He was amazing!" Quote
BruceH Posted August 5, 2008 Report Posted August 5, 2008 (edited) I met a guy once who, when he found out I was a jazz fan, told me had once seen an old pianist play in new York in the early 70's and got to talking to him. The pianist invited him to his hotel room with some other hangers-on and they hung around smoking pot and carrying on into the wee hours. "You must know this guy! He was amazing! His name was... Father something." "Uh... could it have been Earl 'Fatha' Hines?" "Yes! That's it! Father Hines! He was amazing!" Hines, Teddy Wilson, Nat King Cole, Herbie Nichols, they're all good. (And yes, I'm sure there were some Hines threads on here sometime ago.) Edited August 5, 2008 by BruceH Quote
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