Rooster_Ties Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 (edited) OK, given the relatively 'mainstream' nature of the RVG series, and also BN's frequent preference for having RVG remaster titles that were already released on CD in the U.S. in the late 80's or very early 90's (with remastering jobs that are now well out-of-date).... What would be some solid logical choices for the RVG series - for BN recordings recorded after 1965??? This shouldn't be too hard to do, since most of the RVG series has favored the 50's and early 60's, with only a few exceptions. Some post-1965 RVG examples (I think this is all of them, so far), have included... HERBIE HANCOCK - The Prisoner (1969) JOE HENDERSON - Mode For Joe (1966) HORACE SILVER - In Pursuit Of The 27th Man (1970/1972) DONALD BYRD - Slow Drag (1967) I'll go first, by nominating this... McCoy Tyner - Tender Moments (1967) It was last released in the U.S. as a McMaster in 1990, and repressed as a Collectors Choice in 1995 (with the same 1990 remastering). I don't think the 1990 remastering is the worst I've ever heard, but this session is probably as 'mainstream' as any of McCoy's BN output, after "The Real McCoy" - and would probably sell pretty well, I would think. Again, let's all be logical about this. BN ain't gonna release those Kenny Cox dates as RVG's, no matter how much we'd like 'em to. (Nor Tyrone Washington, for that matter.) And oh, much as we might like BN to rerelease a few dates from the 80's - like maybe Bobby Watson's... CLEARLY the RVG series has been for pre-1975 dates only. (So no crazy ideas from the George Adams camp either. ) Edited October 20, 2003 by Rooster_Ties Quote
John B Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 Don Pullen / George Adams Quartet - Breakthrough and Song Everlasting I know that there is no chance these will ever be issues as RVGs but if these two discs are not "essential" then I don't know what is. Quote
John B Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 (So no crazy ideas from the George Adams camp either. ) oops. read your post too fast and missed this. heck, I'm going to leave my post because these discs deserve as much hype as they can get. Quote
couw Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 stick with McCoy and you come up with Expansions (1968), a very interesting date I think with a killer line up: Woody Shaw, tp; Gary Bartz, as; Wayne Shorter, ts; McCoy Tyner, p; Ron Carter, cello; Herbie Lewis, b; Freddie Waits, ds; This one has also been available on CD before. Quote
Late Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 That's an excellent choice, couw. The current edition of that album on compact disc sounds like c-r-a-p. I wouldn't have hurt feelings if Super Nova or Odyssey of Iska came out in the RVG series. Even though I don't mind the sound of the current editions, I know I'd fold and buy an RVG edition of these two. Good suggestion, Rooster — those Kenny Cox sides as RVG editions would be brilliant! Quote
Swinging Swede Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 And Tender Moments has indeed already been announced as one of the upcoming US RVGs in 2004. Duke Pearson’s Sweet Honey Bee, Horace Silver’s Serenade To A Soul Sister , Cecil Taylor’s Conquistador, and Lee Morgan’s The Sixth Sense also fit the description. Surprising to see the Morgan title so soon again. It was reissued as late as 1999, and now again?! By the way, notice on the old CD version of Tender Moments how they not only added the Compact Disc logo, but also changed the BN logo: Quote
Claude Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 I second "Expansions", in case we never get a McCoy Mosaic. Other suggestions: - Jackie McLean - Demon's dance - Tony Williams - Spring - Bobby Hutcherson - Oblique Quote
Swinging Swede Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 The new JRVG series may give a hint since the same remasters nowadays are used for the US RVG series. Other post-1965 JRVGs are : Midnight Creeper Mustang Move Your Hand Green Is Beautiful Hi Voltage Merry Ole Soul Boss Horn Schizophrenia Moon Rappin’ The Song Of Singing Blackjack Think! How Insensitive Reach Out! Turning Point and another Tyner album: Time For Tyner Not that I think that all or even most of them will come out as US RVGS, but some may, since the remastering already is done. Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 (edited) Do the recordings have to be originally engineered by RVG to become RVGs? The recording I'd most like to see out is James Newton's 'Romance and Revolution.' Probably way to late for consideration. I'm not sure if that counts as 'logical.' Edited October 20, 2003 by Bev Stapleton Quote
John B Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 Do the recordings have to be originally engineered by RVG to become RVGs? Not necessarily. Birth of the Cool was not originally engineered by Rudy yet was issued as an RVG. Quote
John B Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 (edited) some other choices would be Donald Byrd's Mustang!, Blackjack and the Creeper. I have never heard the Creeper, but really dig the other two discs. Or how about Bobby Hutcherson's Live at Montreux? That one commands huge prices on ebay these days and deserves to be readily accesible. Some smoking Woody Shaw on this set! I'll second Bev's James Newton selection. Edited October 20, 2003 by John B Quote
Swinging Swede Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 A couple of other plausible RVGs would be Delightfulee and Alligator Bogaloo. Maybe a Stanley Turrentine title? Another Hutcherson? Maybe even a later Three Sounds? Hmm, it’s not easy to come up with other likely candidates, but since there have been a few RVG surprises in the past, who knows what might be thrown in? Quote
Swinging Swede Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 Some of the BN RVGs from the 10" era were not engineered by van Gelder either. Quote
jazzbo Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 (edited) Ruben Wilson "On Broadway"--probably my favorite of his. Edited October 21, 2003 by jazzbo Quote
AfricaBrass Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 I'll third Couw's nomination of Expansions! I'd also like to see some late sixties Elvin Jones. Albums such as: Puttin' It Together, The Ultimate Elvin Jones, The Prime Element, Mr. Jones. I know I could pick up the Mosaic set, but since I have quite a bit of the material already that is in the box, some individual releases would be nice. Quote
couw Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 I'd also like to see some late sixties Elvin Jones. Albums such as: Puttin' It Together, The Ultimate Elvin Jones, The Prime Element, Mr. Jones. I know I could pick up the Mosaic set, but since I have quite a bit of the material already that is in the box, some individual releases would be nice. and this one, just for the cover.... kidding aside: I listened to his polycurrents album the other day and that one smokes as well, so better include it! It has George Coleman, so JSngry will be buying it! Personnel: Joe Farrell, e h, fl, bfl, ts; George Coleman, ts; Pepper Adams, bs; Wilbur Little, b; Elvin Jones, ds; Candido Camero, cga; Quote
Guy Berger Posted October 20, 2003 Report Posted October 20, 2003 HERBIE HANCOCK - The Prisoner (1969) JOE HENDERSON - Mode For Joe (1966) HORACE SILVER - In Pursuit Of The 27th Man (1970/1972) DONALD BYRD - Slow Drag (1967) Add "The Real McCoy" and "Adam's Apple" to this list. Guy Quote
BruceH Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 Hubbard---Here To Stay Mobley---Hi Voltage McLean---Demon's Dance Quote
DrJ Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 How about these later-period BN's as RVG's: Hutcherson - TOTAL ECLIPSE (PLEASE!), or maybe SAN FRANCISCO (the LIVE AT MONTREUX disc would be great too, but I doubt we'll see it). Heck, even CIRRUS would be good. Byrd - KOFI Elvin Jones - LIVE AT THE LIGHTHOUSE (in the fine tradition of the other live 2-fer RVG's out so far) I would also love to see an RVG of the last Lee Morgan BN session, LEE MORGAN, that one just keeps growing in my estimation. Would sound splendid. Tyner - EXPANSIONS would be a superb choice, agree! Ornette - LOVE CALL and NEW YORK IS NOW! as a 2-fer Quote
brownie Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 Bobbi Humphrey's 'Flute in'. A nonet date with Lee Morgan, Billy Harper, Hank Jones among others. Quote
davef Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 Bobby Hutcherson's Oblique comes to my mind... Quote
bertrand Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 Brownie, Hank Jones is on Flute-In! That's hilarious! Here's why: Last month, Hank and Elvin played in D.C. Hank was handed a piece of paper with the name of a musician on it who was about to sit in. Hank made the announcement, but thought Bobbi was a guy! And now it turns out he actually recorded with her. Shows how much of an impression she made. Bertrand. Quote
brownie Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 Bertrand. Stop trying to ruin my expectations on this date! Lee Morgan is there. That's enough for me. Guess that Hank Jones may be allowed to forget some of the musicians he has played with. The list could fill a book. Not sure how good Bobbi was as a flute player. She was with BN when I tended to ignore their new releases. But she was rather pretty! Quote
jazzbo Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 I would have immediately jumped in and said "the two Eddie Gales!" BUT Water has done such a great job with their recent reissues that I am silenced! Quote
nmorin Posted October 21, 2003 Report Posted October 21, 2003 It's purely self-serving because I can't find it anywhere... I'd like to see Kenny Dorham's Trompeta Toccata, so I could finally have all the Henderson/Dorham collaborations. Quote
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