Hot Ptah Posted June 13, 2008 Report Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) The Magnificent Goldberg, with his great list of 100 Inessential Soul Jazz albums, inspired me to create a list of 100 jazz albums, which are inessential, do not appear on lists of the Greatest Of All Time, but are merely enjoyable to listen to. (In my opinion, of course) Muhal Richard Abrams--Blues Forever --Afrisong Cannonball Adderley--Nippon Soul George Adams--Paradise Space Shuttle --Sound Suggestions Henry "Red" Allen--1929-36 (Robert Parker Series) Louis Armstrong--Swing That Music (1936-38, MCA) Gene Ammons and Sonny Stitt--Jug and Sonny Rabih Abou-Khalil--Blue Camel Count Basie--Chairman of the Board Chu Berry--Chu The Jaki Byard Experience Art Blakey--The Big Beat Carla Bley--European Tour '77 Anthony Braxton--Creative Orchestra Music 1976 Dave Brubeck--Brubeck Plays Brubeck (solo piano) Don Byron--No Vibe Zone Sidney Bechet-- Volume 2 (Blue Note LP) Steve Bernstein with Sam Rivers--Diaspora Blues Kenny Barron--Maybeck album Mario Bauza--944 Columbus Lester Bowie--The Fire This Time Brother Ah--Sound Awareness Donald Byrd--Free Flight Dave Burrell--Windward Passages Sonny Clark--Sonny's Crib Avishai Cohen--Adama Benny Carter--A Gentleman and His Music Roy Campbell--New Kingdom Uri Caine--Toys Betty Carter--Now It's My Turn Paul Desmond--Pure Desmond Richard Davis--Philosophy of the Spiritual Jack DeJohnette--Tin Can Alley Gil Evans--Individualism of Duke Ellington--Jazz Party --New Orleans Suite --70th Birthday Concert --Historically Speaking Booker Ervin--The Space Book Johnny Frigo--Live at the 1997 Floating Jazz Festival Chico Freeman--Spirit Sensitive Tommy Flanagan--Jazz Poet Ella and Louis (all 3 volumes) Ricky Ford--Flying Colors Dexter Gordon--Stable Mable Johnny Griffin--Return of the Griffin Dizzy Gillespie and Machito--Afro Cuban Jazz Moods Stan Getz--Anniversary Benny Goodman--On The Air (1937-38) Charlie Haden--Closeness --The Golden Number Lionel Hampton--My Man John Hicks--Inc.1 Heath Brothers--Live at the Public Theater Coleman Hawkins--Meets the Big Sax Section --Rainbow Mist Abdullah Ibrahim--Ekaya --Ode to Duke Ellington James P. Johnson--Original 1942-45 Eddie Jefferson--The Main Man Keith Jarrett--La Scala Elvin Jones--The Ultimate Barney Kessel--Easy Like Lee Konitz with Warne Marsh Rahsaan Roland Kirk--Bright Moments The Leaders--Mudfoot Yusef Lateef--Eastern Sounds --The Three Faces of --Cry!/Tender Ronnie Matthews--Roots, Branches and Dances Pat Metheny--80/81 Charles Mingus--Tijuana Moods Modern Jazz Quartet-- The Last Concert Thelonious Monk--5 By Monk By 5 Jay McShann--Kansas City Hustle Bheki Mseleku--Celebration David Murray--Holy Siege on Intrigue Phineas Newborn--The Great Jazz Piano of James Newton--Paseo Del Mar Eddie Palmieri--Palmas Duke Pearson--Wahoo William Parker--O'Neal's Porch Joe Pass--Portraits of Duke Ellington Art Pepper--Today Sam Rivers--Waves Sonny Rollins--Alfie Archie Shepp and Horace Parlan--Goin' Home Zoot Sims--Hawthorne Nights Eddie South--In Paris 1929 and 1937 Jess Stacy--Stacy Still Swings Sun Ra--Cosmos --Unity --St. Louis Blues Skatalites--High Bop Ska Clark Terry--Live at the Montreux Jazz Festival (Arrangements by Ernie Wilkins) Henry Threadgill--Just the Facts and Pass the Bucket --Too Much Sugar For a Dime Lucky Thompson--Lucky Strikes Art Tatum and Ben Webster Cecil Taylor--Silent Tongues McCoy Tyner--Trident --Supertrios Lew Tabackin--Rites of Pan Cal Tjader--Soul Sauce Sarah Vaughan--Live at Mister Kelly's Dinah Washington--The Jazz Sides Randy Weston--Tanjah Fats Waller--Turn on the Heat Kenny Wheeler--Gnu High James Williams--Magical Trio 1 Teddy Wilson--Solo Piano: Keystone Transcriptions 1939-40 Phil Woods--Musique du Bois Mary Lou Williams--Free Spirits Lester Young Trio Edited June 14, 2008 by Hot Ptah Quote
RDK Posted June 13, 2008 Report Posted June 13, 2008 I've come to believe that one's "inessential" lists are far more revealing and useful than the more typical "essentials." That said, there are a couple on your list that I would deem "essential." Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 13, 2008 Author Report Posted June 13, 2008 I've come to believe that one's "inessential" lists are far more revealing and useful than the more typical "essentials." That said, there are a couple on your list that I would deem "essential." Can't win 'em all! Quote
GA Russell Posted June 13, 2008 Report Posted June 13, 2008 HP, thanks for that effort! I'm surprised you listed Charles Mingus - Tijuana Moods. I gather that a great many critics consider it to be his best album. 5xMonkx5 was my second Monk album. I've always loved it. I think that it is a lot more popular than the others on your list. Now Soul Sauce is an example of what I think of as inessential recording but a great album nonetheless! Quote
WorldB3 Posted June 13, 2008 Report Posted June 13, 2008 I would say these three deserve to be on the essentials list. Kenny Wheeler--Gnu High Charles Mingus--Tijuana Moods Yusef Lateef--Eastern Sounds Argument could be made for these as well. Booker Ervin--The Space Book Lee Konitz with Warne Marsh Rahsaan Roland Kirk--Bright Moments Pat Metheny--80/81 William Parker--O'Neal's Porch The rest I agree or haven't heard. Quote
Peter Friedman Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 Along with the Mingus already mentioned, I would put the Art Tatum/Ben Webster on the list of essential recordings. Quote
Quincy Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) HP, thanks for that effort! I'm surprised you listed Charles Mingus - Tijuana Moods. I gather that a great many critics consider it to be his best album. I think Mingus Ah Um and The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady are usually mentioned 1st, though Tijuana Moods certainly makes some lists. The recent & annoying series "1001 _____ You Must ____ Before You Die" picked Black Saint. Mingus is a funny one as far as the greats go & lack of agreement amongst the list makers, as along with Tijuana Moods there are 4 or 5 other albums not mentioned that'll pop up (though usually with Ah Um or Black Saint.) But what the heck, the guy did put out a lot of (understatement) high quality albums! Thanks for the fun list. I'm adding Rainbow Mist to my hunting list along with some others to keep an eye out for. Edited June 14, 2008 by Quincy Quote
papsrus Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 That's a great list HP. Nice broad selection of stuff. As someone else stated, I'd bet a list like this would provide a wider sampling of music than many essential lists would. Quote
7/4 Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 For me, Creative Orchestra Music 1976 is an essential big band album. But hey...that's just me. Quote
AndrewHill Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 Nice list HP! A lot of stuff on there has caught my interest and I would like to check out. Personal favorite: "Dave Brubeck--Brubeck Plays Brubeck (solo piano)" Sonny's Crib though, I think, is an essential Clark date. Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) Thanks for the encouraging words. It is difficult to draw the line on essential and non-essential. I left off Oliver Nelson's "Blues and the Abstract Truth", all of Billie Holiday, all of Bessie Smith, and several Miles, Coltrane, Duke, Basie, Mingus, Clifford Brown, and Monk albums, because they were too "essential". Edited June 14, 2008 by Hot Ptah Quote
A Lark Ascending Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 I've come to believe that one's "inessential" lists are far more revealing and useful than the more typical "essentials." That said, there are a couple on your list that I would deem "essential." I agree. It's the byways of a person's interest that create a sense of their personality. And if you should find yourself straying in that direction it becomes a goldmine of information. I always struggle with the idea of 'essential' as it suggests that there is some norm, some canon that everyone must have experienced. Most people would have 'Kind of Blue' in the essential list; yet I suspect someone interested more in blow-torch jazz could go through life without hearing it and be none the worse. Quote
jostber Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 This would be essential if it was anywhere near available : To me are these also pretty essential: Art Tatum and Ben Webster Cecil Taylor - Silent Tongues Quote
Big Beat Steve Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 I always struggle with the idea of 'essential' as it suggests that there is some norm, some canon that everyone must have experienced. Most people would have 'Kind of Blue' in the essential list; yet I suspect someone interested more in blow-torch jazz could go through life without hearing it and be none the worse. :tup :tup As you say ... the byways off the trodden paths of "mainstream taste" provide the most enjoyable listening to us INDIVIDUALS. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 I agree absolutely with everyone who's said that the material away from the "acknowledged masters" is both revealing and interesting in its own right. I was surprised to see I have as many as 8 of those albums (plus probably quite a lot of the material on the Red Allen in a different form and maybe also some of the historical Ellington (I don't know what that album covers)). Equally surprised to see that there are only two that I used to have and got rid of because I didn't enjoy them. And REALLY surprised to see "Hi bop Ska" there I love that album, though I love "Greetings from Skamania" even more. NG Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Posted June 14, 2008 This would be essential if it was anywhere near available : To me are these also pretty essential: Art Tatum and Ben Webster Cecil Taylor - Silent Tongues I agree with all of those as quite possibly "essential". To me, Unity is one of the few totally successful Sun Ra recordings. It is a shame that it is not available. Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Posted June 14, 2008 I agree absolutely with everyone who's said that the material away from the "acknowledged masters" is both revealing and interesting in its own right. I was surprised to see I have as many as 8 of those albums (plus probably quite a lot of the material on the Red Allen in a different form and maybe also some of the historical Ellington (I don't know what that album covers)). Equally surprised to see that there are only two that I used to have and got rid of because I didn't enjoy them. And REALLY surprised to see "Hi bop Ska" there I love that album, though I love "Greetings from Skamania" even more. NG MG, I tried to steer away from anything resembling Soul Jazz, since you covered it so well. The jazz artists play so well with the Skatalites on High Bop Ska--so often those collaborations are an uneasy oil and water mix--not the case with High Bop Ska. Quote
RDK Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 (edited) I would say these three deserve to be on the essentials list. Kenny Wheeler--Gnu High Charles Mingus--Tijuana Moods Yusef Lateef--Eastern Sounds Argument could be made for these as well. Booker Ervin--The Space Book Lee Konitz with Warne Marsh Rahsaan Roland Kirk--Bright Moments Pat Metheny--80/81 William Parker--O'Neal's Porch The rest I agree or haven't heard. Once again proving the power of subjectivity, while I often like Parker, I never really found the appeal of O'Neil's Porch Edited June 14, 2008 by RDK Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 And REALLY surprised to see "Hi bop Ska" there I love that album, though I love "Greetings from Skamania" even more. NG The jazz artists play so well with the Skatalites on High Bop Ska--so often those collaborations are an uneasy oil and water mix--not the case with High Bop Ska. Really they do! They seem so much an integral part of the band that, until you mentioned it just now, I'd forgotten that David Murray, Lester Bowie, Steve Turre and Monty Alexander were on this. None of those guys are exactly central to my jazz appreciation, of course, so I don't hear them in the way I would if, say, Hank Crawford were in the band. But they do fit in so well! MG Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 14, 2008 Author Report Posted June 14, 2008 Another album like that is bluesman Johnny Copeland's "Copeland Special", where Byard Lancaster, George Adams and Hamiet Bluiett fit in really well into the blues music, playing their uncompromised solos but working as seamless parts of the blues band too. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 14, 2008 Report Posted June 14, 2008 Another album like that is bluesman Johnny Copeland's "Copeland Special", where Byard Lancaster, George Adams and Hamiet Bluiett fit in really well into the blues music, playing their uncompromised solos but working as seamless parts of the blues band too. Wow! I've got three tracks from that LP on a Copeland sampler, but never looked at the personnel until just now. Yeah, you can't tell. MG Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 15, 2008 Author Report Posted June 15, 2008 Another album like that is bluesman Johnny Copeland's "Copeland Special", where Byard Lancaster, George Adams and Hamiet Bluiett fit in really well into the blues music, playing their uncompromised solos but working as seamless parts of the blues band too. Wow! I've got three tracks from that LP on a Copeland sampler, but never looked at the personnel until just now. Yeah, you can't tell. MG Does your Copeland sampler include "St. Louis Blues" (excellent George Adams work) and the rousing "Claim Jumper"? "Copeland Special" is an album which REALLY needs to be reissued on CD. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 16, 2008 Report Posted June 16, 2008 Another album like that is bluesman Johnny Copeland's "Copeland Special", where Byard Lancaster, George Adams and Hamiet Bluiett fit in really well into the blues music, playing their uncompromised solos but working as seamless parts of the blues band too. Wow! I've got three tracks from that LP on a Copeland sampler, but never looked at the personnel until just now. Yeah, you can't tell. MG Does your Copeland sampler include "St. Louis Blues" (excellent George Adams work) and the rousing "Claim Jumper"? "Copeland Special" is an album which REALLY needs to be reissued on CD. No; the three cuts are: Down on bended knee Everybody wants a piece of me I wish I was single MG Quote
Hot Ptah Posted June 16, 2008 Author Report Posted June 16, 2008 Another album like that is bluesman Johnny Copeland's "Copeland Special", where Byard Lancaster, George Adams and Hamiet Bluiett fit in really well into the blues music, playing their uncompromised solos but working as seamless parts of the blues band too. Wow! I've got three tracks from that LP on a Copeland sampler, but never looked at the personnel until just now. Yeah, you can't tell. MG Does your Copeland sampler include "St. Louis Blues" (excellent George Adams work) and the rousing "Claim Jumper"? "Copeland Special" is an album which REALLY needs to be reissued on CD. No; the three cuts are: Down on bended knee Everybody wants a piece of me I wish I was single MG I am without a turntable for a few weeks, so I can't confirm my impressions of those songs, but any Copeland compilation which omits "Claim Jumper" does not do his fans any favor, in my opinion. Quote
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted June 16, 2008 Report Posted June 16, 2008 Another album like that is bluesman Johnny Copeland's "Copeland Special", where Byard Lancaster, George Adams and Hamiet Bluiett fit in really well into the blues music, playing their uncompromised solos but working as seamless parts of the blues band too. Wow! I've got three tracks from that LP on a Copeland sampler, but never looked at the personnel until just now. Yeah, you can't tell. MG Does your Copeland sampler include "St. Louis Blues" (excellent George Adams work) and the rousing "Claim Jumper"? "Copeland Special" is an album which REALLY needs to be reissued on CD. No; the three cuts are: Down on bended knee Everybody wants a piece of me I wish I was single MG I am without a turntable for a few weeks, so I can't confirm my impressions of those songs, but any Copeland compilation which omits "Claim Jumper" does not do his fans any favor, in my opinion. Well, it's a cheapo sampler by Rounder; intended to spark sales of the other albums (all listed with catalogue numers in the sleeve). If you're doing that kind of thing, it would probaby be foolish to put all the best cuts on it. MG Quote
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