mikeweil Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Claude is certainly better informed than I am! I sometimes wonder how much care labels really take in selecting sound sources for their releases ... I agree that this session is not that thrilling, and wish they would have chose Kelly's other Riverside album for SACD release. Seems several of the SACD Fantasy released themselves were not up to par. Edited January 21, 2009 by mikeweil Quote
Claude Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 You guys are crazy! I have this one in a cardboard ZYX 20bit edition and will not replace it... it's far from the greatest ever hardbop album anyway, in my opinion! You'd be surprised at how much better this album gets with optimal sound quality Quote
king ubu Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 You guys are crazy! I have this one in a cardboard ZYX 20bit edition and will not replace it... it's far from the greatest ever hardbop album anyway, in my opinion! You'd be surprised at how much better this album gets with optimal sound quality Yeah, I guess so - but with the time of CDs running out and my resources being small as ever (and stretched to the limits - frequently over the limits, alas), I simply stopped caring to upgrade things. I have maybe a dozen of those ZYX 20bits (including all five of those Baker sessions with George Coleman, some Cannonball Adderley, Nat's "Work Song", one of the Brubeck Jazz at the College of the Pacific, two of the Blakey Riversides and maybe a few more). Quote
Claude Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 I have maybe a dozen of those ZYX 20bits (including all five of those Baker sessions with George Coleman Those Chet CDs sound really terrible. The US versions (3 CDs comprising all the tracks from the 5 albums) are so much better, but they are not perfect, as some tracks are in mono although stereo tapes seem to be available (according to a poster on this forum). Even the crappy 128kbit MP3s I downloaded from emusic years ago (taken from the US CDs) sounded better than the ZYX CDs. Quote
king ubu Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah, but the Yurpeen Universal/Concord CDs only seem to include one of those US discs... had all three been around in the past Concord/OJCs sales, I would have grabbed them. Quote
MichL Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hi: Why was my post/reply deleted. There was no offensive language etc. in it. I merely referenced Steve Hoffman's opion on Kelly Blue. He has heard the master tapes, so he is in a position to determine the most faithful--if not the best sounding--mastering. I too think the SACD sound good. Not great. Thanks. Michael Quote
Niko Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 now that it comes up, i have two "OJC20" cds where i really would like to now how they compare to other versions... does anyone have an opinion concerning Art Pepper - Smack Up Pat Martino - El Hombre (maybe also Gene Ammons - Blue Gene...) i have maybe 10 of those cds and in some cases (namely Pepper and Ammons) i do suspect that they sound a bit awkward though i really know little about this type of thing) thanks! Quote
Claude Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) I merely referenced Steve Hoffman's opion on Kelly Blue. He has heard the master tapes, so he is in a position to determine the most faithful--if not the best sounding--mastering. I too think the SACD sound good. Not great. Hoffman is a great mastering engineer, but some of his comments on his forum are very ... surprising. I wonder if he didn't mix up the SACD with another CD reissue. I can't believe he thinks the SACD sounds faithful to the master tapes, when his own reissue (the 45rpm LPs) sounds so different from the SACD. Like some other Fantasy SACDs, the "Kelly Blue" reissue sounds very muffled, as if the tapes were defective. Edited January 21, 2009 by Claude Quote
MichL Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 Hoffman is a great mastering engineer, but some of his comments on his forum are very ... surprising. I wonder if he didn't mix up the SACD with another CD reissue. I can't believe he thinks the SACD sounds faithful to the master tapes, when his own reissue (the 45rpm LPs) sounds so different from the SACD. Like some other Fantasy SACDs, the "Kelly Blue" reissue sounds very muffled, as if the tapes were defective. Quote
Swinging Swede Posted January 21, 2009 Report Posted January 21, 2009 I have maybe a dozen of those ZYX 20bits (including all five of those Baker sessions with George Coleman Those Chet CDs sound really terrible. Truer words have never been spoken. I managed to get 4 of the Japanese CDs but never found the 5th, so I decided to get the ZYX 20bit counterpart instead. I had read the warnings, but foolishly thought that it couldn't be that bad. Big mistake. It was worse than I could have imagined, truly abysmal-sounding. How on earth could they be put on the market at all? Incomprehensible. Quote
jazzbo Posted April 25, 2009 Report Posted April 25, 2009 Next three Concord RVGs that I can see are: Miles Davis: Miles John Coltrane: Coltrane Eric Dolphy: Live at the Five Spot Vol. 2 Quote
colinmce Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 Next three Concord RVGs that I can see are: Miles Davis: Miles John Coltrane: Coltrane Eric Dolphy: Live at the Five Spot Vol. 2 If that's the case, I hope they don't bother. Quote
medjuck Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 Has Concord (or Fantasy before them) ever released all of the Miles/Monk Dec 24/1954 session on one cd? Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 Has Concord (or Fantasy before them) ever released all of the Miles/Monk Dec 24/1954 session on one cd? Only as disc 3 of the "complete Prestige" Monk box. It's a K2 and sounds dandy. Quote
J.A.W. Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) Has Concord (or Fantasy before them) ever released all of the Miles/Monk Dec 24/1954 session on one cd? Only as disc 3 of the "complete Prestige" Monk box. It's a K2 and sounds dandy. Correct, but I disagree about the sound. To each their own (edit) I just realized that the complete session is also released on 1 disc of the complete Miles Prestige box; it's on disc 4. Edited April 26, 2009 by J.A.W. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 (edit) I just realized that the complete session is also released on 1 disc of the complete Miles Prestige box; it's on disc 4. If the cd edition reflects the original lp edition, the vocal comments are missing. Also, in the first pressings, an alternate was missing and the "master" was duplicated. Quote
J.A.W. Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 (edit) I just realized that the complete session is also released on 1 disc of the complete Miles Prestige box; it's on disc 4. If the cd edition reflects the original lp edition, the vocal comments are missing. Also, in the first pressings, an alternate was missing and the "master" was duplicated. My CD edition does have 2 different takes each of "Bags' Groove" and "The Man I Love" plus single takes of "Bemsha Swing" and "Swing Spring". I didn't check if the vocal comments are there. Quote
medjuck Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 (edit) I just realized that the complete session is also released on 1 disc of the complete Miles Prestige box; it's on disc 4. If the cd edition reflects the original lp edition, the vocal comments are missing. Also, in the first pressings, an alternate was missing and the "master" was duplicated. My CD edition does have 2 different takes each of "Bags' Groove" and "The Man I Love" plus single takes of "Bemsha Swing" and "Swing Spring". I didn't check if the vocal comments are there. They aren't. Quote
J.A.W. Posted April 26, 2009 Report Posted April 26, 2009 (edited) (edit) I just realized that the complete session is also released on 1 disc of the complete Miles Prestige box; it's on disc 4. If the cd edition reflects the original lp edition, the vocal comments are missing. Also, in the first pressings, an alternate was missing and the "master" was duplicated. My CD edition does have 2 different takes each of "Bags' Groove" and "The Man I Love" plus single takes of "Bemsha Swing" and "Swing Spring". I didn't check if the vocal comments are there. They aren't. I just listened to my Japanese non-K2 CD edition and it does have vocal comments and also different takes Edited April 26, 2009 by J.A.W. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted April 27, 2009 Report Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) Hans is the reissue master, so I quit. edit to add the question from medjuck was "Has Concord (or Fantasy before them) ever released all of the Miles/Monk Dec 24/1954 session on one cd?" Edited April 27, 2009 by Chuck Nessa Quote
televiper Posted July 21, 2009 Report Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) I bought the RVG Bluesy Burrell and honestly I think it sounds terrible like I'm standing behind the drum kit looking out at the band from behind (if that makes sense) -- the drums are so far out and to the front that it just sounds weird. Also, Hawk's tenor sounds compressed, not as full as I expected. Do the earlier pressing sound better (more balanced) or is it just the recording in general? http://bopandbeyond.wordpress.com Edited July 21, 2009 by televiper Quote
AndrewHill Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Well its seems evident that there's no Blue Note reissues on the horizon, but I thought the Prestige RVG's were rolling out with some regularity, although they seemed to have cut their reissues down to three or so per batch. Are there any on the way? Or has this reissue program, along with the Keepnews Collection, come to a screeching halt two? Funny enough, it seems that Verve are the only ones with a regular reissue program in full swing. Quote
Niko Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) Funny enough, it seems that Verve are the only ones with a regular reissue program in full swing. well, there are still nessa and futura/marge... Edited August 13, 2009 by Niko Quote
king ubu Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Where's that list again with those 50 newly printed Prestige titles? Not sure if these were just a European thing.. there was a thread and I posted in it as well, but I can't seem to find it. Quote
AndrewHill Posted August 13, 2009 Report Posted August 13, 2009 Funny enough, it seems that Verve are the only ones with a regular reissue program in full swing. well, there are still nessa and futura/marge... Right, and Atavistic UMS, Transparancy, etc too. It was Verve/Universal that came to mind first. I totally forgot about the independents! Shame on me! :blush2: Quote
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