paul secor Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) Freddie Hubbard & Harry Abraham (WHAM) - 1976 Before I read your caption, I thought it was Freddie Hubbard and Gabe Kaplan. Edited April 4, 2008 by paul secor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) well, I first heard Hub Cap when I was 14 and his playing was just too distant and mechanical for my tastes - knew nothing about him personally then, so I was objective - true about the nature of people and their music; one of my best jazz-musician friends, and one of the greatest jazz pianists ever, turned out to be a rapist who killed one of his wives - but nobody's perfect - Edited April 4, 2008 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
take5 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I'm just a sucker for those Clifford Brown inspired players, including Hubbard. Saw him in NY a few years ago and he couldn't play one freakin' note. Horrible. He apologized and blamed jet-lag or something. I didn't even know about the busted lip story at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 well, I first heard Hub Cap when I was 14 and his playing was just too distant and mechanical for my tastes - knew nothing about him personally then, so I was objective - FWIW, Hub Cap is my least favorite of Hubbard's BNs, second only to Breaking Point. Another FWIW, I find myself enjoying Hubbard's CTI's more than his own BN's. But then, I prefer him more as a sideman on Blue Note than as a leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Free For All Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Speaking of those Keystone Bop sides, Billy Childs was just in town and did a clinic at FSU. He's a very talented writer and has some beautiful pieces composed for various brass, woodwind and string chamber groups. I've always enjoyed his playing, very tasty and refined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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7/4 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Wow. I keep forgetting that people dressed like that when I was a teenager. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 I've always loved that "Hub of Hubbard" session. Freddie's harmon mute solo on Blues for Duane is a favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainwrong Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 (edited) Freddy is supposed to be playing the Indy Jazz fest this year. They're promising he'll show this year. LOL We'll see. Edited April 4, 2008 by Captain Wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldB3 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Im going tonight. I figure even if he doesn't show I can't go wrong with the rest of the band. Last time I saw him was in the early-mid 90's and he was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 i think I have some of that on LP - a French issue of a Fantasy LP called "Classics", done on 28.11.81, side-long versions of "Red clay" and "First light". Is that the same thing? I can really only play that when I'm feeling absolutely in the mood for some heavy hard bop, which ain't often. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Yeah, but if you can get a consensus that "Red Clay" & "First Light" are "hard bop" then you've done gone and found a world that's pleasantly different than the one in which I live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Jeeze! I remember when he turned 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Personally, I tend to find that Freddie's staunchest defenders are deaf to some pretty obvious flaws in a lot of his performances, and that his harshest critics are deaf to some brilliantly inspired (and hellaceously fiery) trumpet playing. A bad Freddie performance is pretty damn awful, and a great one is pretty damn exhilarating. And the ones in between are...like everybody else's in betweens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magnificent Goldberg Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Yeah, but if you can get a consensus that "Red Clay" & "First Light" are "hard bop" then you've done gone and found a world that's pleasantly different than the one in which I live. Do you mean those versions, or the tunes themselves? I can understand a lack of consensus about the tunes. But those performances sound pretty hard bop to me. If I'm wrong about that, please tell me why. MG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Yeah, but if you can get a consensus that "Red Clay" & "First Light" are "hard bop" then you've done gone and found a world that's pleasantly different than the one in which I live. Some time ago, a friend of mine bought Red Clay because so many people had recommended it (not me, I might add) and felt terribly burned. As he lives in the same world as me, I've always given the album a wide berth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 a fairly well-known alto player once described Freddie's sound to me as "Mariachi style" - and didn't Miles say he only played scales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Yeah, but if you can get a consensus that "Red Clay" & "First Light" are "hard bop" then you've done gone and found a world that's pleasantly different than the one in which I live. Do you mean those versions, or the tunes themselves? I can understand a lack of consensus about the tunes. But those performances sound pretty hard bop to me. If I'm wrong about that, please tell me why. MG No, I mean the tunes themselves. It's funny, on one side you got people who don't like the tunes because they're "sellouts" or some such, but then when they're used as serious blowing vehicles, you got other people (not you, MG) who get overwhelmed by what gets played on them, like it's "too much" or something. Which just goes to show that if you just go ahead on and do what you want to do, for whatever reasons you want to do it, before it's all over everybody will have told you to go fuck yourself. Which is why it's better to do unto others before they do unto you. And from that POV, I fully appreciate Freddie Hubbard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 a fairly well-known alto player once described Freddie's sound to me as "Mariachi style" - Having lived a life surrounded by Mariachi bands, real Mariachi bands, I assure you that whoever it was who said that, and no matter how sharp they might otherwise have been, on that point they were 100% a fucking idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 well I guess I'll have to join him in idiot-land, because, sonically, that's what Hubbard always sounded like to me - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 a fairly well-known alto player once described Freddie's sound to me as "Mariachi style" - Having lived a life surrounded by Mariachi bands, real Mariachi bands, I assure you that whoever it was who said that, and no matter how sharp they might otherwise have been, on that point they were 100% a fucking idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 So this is what Freddie Hubbard sounds like to you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeZC6Tvpdxo...feature=related Or even this? C'mon man.... nobody's that deaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 last time I played Hubbard on the stereo, my dog charged at me - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clifford_thornton Posted April 4, 2008 Report Share Posted April 4, 2008 Personally, I tend to find that Freddie's staunchest defenders are deaf to some pretty obvious flaws in a lot of his performances, and that his harshest critics are deaf to some brilliantly inspired (and hellaceously fiery) trumpet playing. A bad Freddie performance is pretty damn awful, and a great one is pretty damn exhilarating. And the ones in between are...like everybody else's in betweens. Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel. He started to slide with the Atlantics, but even a couple of those are decent. I generally find his "classic" BN period full of excellent playing. This might also be from a technical standpoint, but if early Freddie Hubbard is my lone "technique" player, then that's not doing too badly... FWIW, I did not like his playing very much upon first being seriously exposed to it - took some time to appreciate his musicality and his tunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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