Teasing the Korean Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, romualdo said: Which CD release (2004, 2009 or 2020) are you referring to? The 2020 Octave Lab release sounds fine to me (plus it has two extra tracks) Title (Format)LabelCat#CountryYear Reflections In The Sea Of Nurnen (LP, Album, Reissue)Tribe (3)TRCD4009US2002 Reflections In The Sea Of Nurnen (CD, Album, Reissue)P-Vine RecordsPCD-23572Japan2004 Reflections In The Sea Of Nurnen (CD, Album, Limited Edition, Reissue, Paper Sleeve )P-Vine RecordsPCD-22335Japan2009 Reflections In The Sea Of Nurnen (LP, Album, Reissue)Tribe (3), Pure Pleasure RecordsTRCD4009, RSN 001UK2018 Reflections In The Sea Of Nurnen +2 (CD, Album, Limited Edition, Reissue, Remastered)Octave Lab, Tribe (3)OTLCD2477Japan2020 Mine is on a label called Black Ark. It has 10 tracks. The only copyright date is 1975. EDIT: It is on P-Vine, 2009. Edited March 9, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcity Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) For whatever it's worth, I have this cheap LP reissue from 2002 and always thought it sounded pretty good... which surprised me considering the cost, and assuming it just came from a digital master... https://www.discogs.com/release/2026710-Doug-Hammond-David-Durrah-Reflections-In-The-Sea-Of-Nurnen But having said that I'm going to go back & listen again. Seeing that the Now Again reissues were cut by Bernie Grundman, I can only imagine that his cut will be an improvement on what I have. Decisions, decisions... 11 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: Mine is on a label called Black Ark. It has 10 tracks. The only copyright date is 1975. EDIT: It is on P-Vine, 2009. I think that might explain it. While I haven't heard this particular album on P-Vine, I've had others from the same series and they sounded horrible. I had the P-Vine "mini-LP" CD version of A Message From the Tribe and it was compressed to hell, no-noised to death, and the high end jacked way up. It was seriously painful to listen to. Edited March 9, 2022 by webbcity clarity... omitted a phrase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, webbcity said: I think that might explain it. While I haven't heard this particular album on P-Vine, I've had others from the same series and they sounded horrible. I had the P-Vine "mini-LP" CD version of A Message From the Tribe and it was compressed to hell, no-noised to death, and the high end jacked way up. It was seriously painful to listen to. My copy of the 2009 P-Vine CD sounds like it was sourced from an OK vinyl copy with an OK stylus. I was mad at myself for not digitizing the LP that I sold, because it sounded so much better. Edited March 9, 2022 by Teasing the Korean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted March 9, 2022 Report Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 hours ago, webbcity said: I think that might explain it. While I haven't heard this particular album on P-Vine, I've had others from the same series and they sounded horrible. I had the P-Vine "mini-LP" CD version of A Message From the Tribe and it was compressed to hell, no-noised to death, and the high end jacked way up. It was seriously painful to listen to. I have some Strata-East titles on P-Vine, and they are also pretty wretched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 I’ve got Waldrons On Steinway on P-Vine which sounds excellent. Thousand times better than the horrible Fuel 2000. Also got Clifford Jordan’s in The World but it has been a while that I gave that one a spin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcity Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 23 hours ago, felser said: I have some Strata-East titles on P-Vine, and they are also pretty wretched. Do you happen to have the Ensemble Al-Salaam? As I'm thinking about these, that's one that I recall actually having good sound. I'll have to pull it out & play it again to make sure I'm remembering correctly though... 11 hours ago, Pim said: I’ve got Waldrons On Steinway on P-Vine which sounds excellent. Thousand times better than the horrible Fuel 2000. Also got Clifford Jordan’s in The World but it has been a while that I gave that one a spin. In the World has been on my want list forever! I missed that CD when it came out... I really hope someone reissues that again someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbour Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 1 hour ago, webbcity said: Do you happen to have the Ensemble Al-Salaam? As I'm thinking about these, that's one that I recall actually having good sound. I'll have to pull it out & play it again to make sure I'm remembering correctly though... In the World has been on my want list forever! I missed that CD when it came out... I really hope someone reissues that again someday. In the World was reissued on SHM-CD fairly recently, shouldn’t be too hard to find https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373431774226?hash=item56f244ac12:g:u2IAAOSw1PFgXZ7r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcity Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Harbour said: In the World was reissued on SHM-CD fairly recently, shouldn’t be too hard to find https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373431774226?hash=item56f244ac12:g:u2IAAOSw1PFgXZ7r Oh man, thank you! Did not see that! Time to go digging for the best price I can find... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.D. Posted March 10, 2022 Report Share Posted March 10, 2022 I have Clifford Jordan In the World as part of the Strata-East Mosaic, but I know that's not a reasonable suggestion if you're currently seeking a recording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 The other P-Vine also isn’t hard find either. 20 copies for sale in Discogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcity Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Pim said: The other P-Vine also isn’t hard find either. 20 copies for sale in Discogs Yes, it's a price thing for me... Being in the US, most options are shipping from overseas and that makes the total cost a minimum of $40-45 with shipping. That seems like a lot to me, even for a CD I really want. But we'll see... it may be that I'm just going to have to pay a lot no matter what, and I can get myself used to that idea eventually... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pim Posted March 11, 2022 Report Share Posted March 11, 2022 50 minutes ago, webbcity said: Yes, it's a price thing for me... Being in the US, most options are shipping from overseas and that makes the total cost a minimum of $40-45 with shipping. That seems like a lot to me, even for a CD I really want. But we'll see... it may be that I'm just going to have to pay a lot no matter what, and I can get myself used to that idea eventually... Yeah I could understand that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dub Modal Posted October 11, 2022 Report Share Posted October 11, 2022 Heads up for anyone interested, Real Gone Records has all of their in-stock Black Jazz LP titles on sale for $11.99: https://realgonemusic.com/collections/vinyl/black-jazz On 9/11/2011 at 11:52 AM, Teasing the Korean said: Can anyone tell me about the sound quality of either the CD or vinyl reissue(s) of the Doug Hammond and David Durrah "Reflections in the Sea of Nurnen?" I find that vinyl reissues of recent dacades have been dodgy. Do you know if either is from the master tapes or from an inferior source? The mp3 album sounds like it's sourced from vinyl. I've got the Pure Pleasure reissue LP of Nurnen and am very happy with it. No idea about tape provenance but I recommend this to anyone who wants an LP of this album. I've got a few Pure Pleasure reissues and am happy with them all FWIW. The only Real Gone LP I have is the reissue of Tapscott's The Giant Is Awakened and it's quality too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Late Posted November 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 Black Jazz reissues on CD are currently $9 at Dusty Groove. 🖤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Late said: Black Jazz reissues on CD are currently $9 at Dusty Groove. 🖤 carpe diem! Not a bad release ever on that label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted November 25, 2022 Report Share Posted November 25, 2022 The only one I really regret buying is the Cleveland Eaton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 5 hours ago, felser said: Not a bad release ever on that label. I find it interesting how current jazz fandom often compares Black Jazz to Strata-East. One of those labels is pure quality all the way through, whereas the other is pure peaks and troughs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster_Ties Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Rabshakeh said: I find it interesting how current jazz fandom often compares Black Jazz to Strata-East. One of those labels is pure quality all the way through, whereas the other is pure peaks and troughs. I probably agree… Though I’d add that the peaks are higher (a number of really true “greats”) — and the troughs lower (a fair number of kinda “meh” dates) on the one more uneven label… …Whereas the more consistent label is nearly all “good” — but with very few truly “great albums”. (Assuming, of course, that we agree on which label is which!! ) Edited November 26, 2022 by Rooster_Ties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 18 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: I probably agree… Though I’d add that the peaks are higher (a number of really true “greats”) — and the troughs lower (a fair number of kinda “meh” dates) on the one more uneven label… …Whereas the more consistent label is nearly all “good” — but with very few truly “great albums”. (Assuming, of course, that we agree on which label is which!! ) Black Jazz was utterly consistent. Strata-East was spectacular at times in the early years, but put out some real dogs later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabshakeh Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said: (Assuming, of course, that we agree on which label is which!! ) I'm pretty certain that we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 20 hours ago, felser said: carpe diem! Not a bad release ever on that label. I dunno, the Gene Russell album where he destroys "My Cherie Amour" is one I can certainly live without. Granted, it was his label, so he had the right to destroy whatever he wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Teasing the Korean said: I dunno, the Gene Russell album where he destroys "My Cherie Amour" is one I can certainly live without. Granted, it was his label, so he had the right to destroy whatever he wanted to. I much prefer it to Muriel Winston, "The Warm Voice of Billy C", etc., from the later days of Strata-East. I agree it is one of the weakest releases on Black Jazz along with Cleveland Eaton and Kellee Patterson, but none of them are bad bad vanity projects like some of the later Strata-East titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 40 minutes ago, felser said: I much prefer it to Muriel Winston, "The Warm Voice of Billy C", etc., from the later days of Strata-East. I agree it is one of the weakest releases on Black Jazz along with Cleveland Eaton and Kellee Patterson, but none of them are bad bad vanity projects like some of the later Strata-East titles. Not sure I know many, or for that matter any, of the later Strata-East albums. What years would the later albums cover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felser Posted November 26, 2022 Report Share Posted November 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Teasing the Korean said: Not sure I know many, or for that matter any, of the later Strata-East albums. What years would the later albums cover? 1975-1980 (a few more leaked out on CD only in the late 80's). Earlier releases are 1971-1974. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasing the Korean Posted November 27, 2022 Report Share Posted November 27, 2022 1 hour ago, felser said: 1975-1980 (a few more leaked out on CD only in the late 80's). Earlier releases are 1971-1974. That makes sense. 1975 is a big cultural dividing point for me, in many spheres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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