Concord digital reissues

[Bluesnik]

after Verve and some other case i saw the other day but which i can’t remember now, Concord is going the easy manufatureless route and offering a bunch of digital only reissues for download.

admittedly, there’s nothing too exciting there but there are some nice bits in between. there’s one Prestige among them i've been eyeing and on the verge of getting from Japan for a long time now: the Jon Eardley Seven. I’m surprised to see it pop up here.

and there’s a Coleman Hawkins, an Elvin Jones, an Osie Johnson, Dexter Gordon’s complete Prestiges and Herbie Harper - Jazz In Hollywood, of which I’m unsure if it is a Nocturne. I seem to recall there was some Nocturne material released under OJC.

overall it's an odd mix of recent releases and historic reissues though, some of which are still available (Tania Maria/Viva Brasil, Barclay) and it’s far from the collector’s wet dream it could have turned out to be.

plus I’m not so keen on the digital format. at least not for jazz. maybe for some more contemporary consumer music, like my dubstep, clubjazz or broken beat. but for jazz and for anything I won’t discard after a year (Brazil and soul too!!) I prefer to have the covers, liner notes and graphic material, to have a feel of the original release, a sense of product. I’m a bit old fashioned here. so I might end up getting the Jon Eardley as a Japanese pressing after all.

the (first?) titles in this new download series are:

Ahmed Abdul Malik - Jazz Sahara

Al Cohn - Broadway (Reissue)

Avishai Cohen - Adama

Avishai Cohen - Colors

Avishai Cohen, The International Vamp Band - Unity

Barbara Lea - Barbara Lea (Reissue)

Bill Evans - Blue In Green (Reissue)

Bob Berg - Another Standard

Charlie Byrd - The Charlie Byrd Christmas Album

Charlie Byrd - The Washington Guitar Quintet

Charlie Byrd, Laurindo Almeida - Brazilian Soul

Charlie Mariano - Boston All-Stars

Charlie Rouse Quintet - Takin' Care Of Business (Reissue)

Chris Potter - Unspoken

Chris Potter Quartet - Vertigo

Claire Austin - Claire Austin Sings "When Your Lover Has Gone" (Reissue)

Coleman Hawkins - Bean And The Boys (Reissue)

Count Basie - Live In Japan '78

Dexter Gordon - The Complete Prestige Recordings

Doris Day - The Love Album

Elvin Jones - Elvin! (Reissue)

Ernestine Anderson - Never Make Your Move Too Soon

Ernestine Anderson - When The Sun Goes Down

Gary Burton - Astor Piazzolla Reunion: A Tango Excursion

Gary Burton - Libertango

Gary Burton & Friends - Departure

George Shearing - Duets

George Shearing - Grand Piano

George Shearing - Piano

George Shearing, Mel Tormé - An Evening With George Shearing and Mel Tormé

George Shearing, Mel Tormé - An Elegant Evening

Herbie Harper - Jazz In Hollywood (Reissue)

Honi Gordon - Honi Gordon Sings (Reissue)

John Coltrane - Blue Trane: John Coltrane Plays The Blues (Reissue)

Jon Eardley - The Jon Eardley Seven (Reissue)

Kenny Burrell - Lotus Blossom

Kenny Burrell - Lucky So and So

Marian McPartland - From This Moment On

Marian McPartland - Live At Maybeck Recital Hall (Vol. 9)

Marian McPartland - Plays The Benny Carter Songbook

Marian McPartland - Silent Pool

Marian McPartland Trio - Live At Yoshi's Nitespot

Matthew Gee - All-Stars Jazz By Gee! (Reissue)

Mel Tormé - A&E Presents An Evening With Mel Tormé - Live From The Disney Institute

Mel Tormé - My Night To Dream

Mel Tormé, Cleo Laine - Nothing Without You (Live At The Loa)

Monica Mancini - The Dreams Of Johnny Mercer

Nnenna Freelon - Maiden Voyage

Oscar Peterson - Oscar Peterson Live!

Osie Johnson - Osie's Oasis (Reissue)

Poncho Sanchez - Out Of Sight!

Ray Brown - Trio Summer Wind (Live At The Loa)

Ray Brown Trio, Ralph Moore - Moore Makes 4 (Live At The Loa)

Scott Hamilton, Harry Allen - Heavy Juice

Sonny Rollins - Silver City (A Celebration Of 25 Years Of Milestone) (Reissue)

Tania Maria - Viva Brazil

Tania Maria, Viva Brazil Quartet - Live At The Blue Note

Ted Curson - Plays Fire Down Below

The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Concord On A Summer Night (Remastered)

The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Paper Moon

The Ray Brown All Stars - Don't Forget The Blues

The Ultimate Mancini Orchestra - Ultimate Mancini

Tito Puente - Master Timbalero

Tito Puente & His Latin Ensemble - Mambo Diablo

Tito Puente, Maynard Ferguson - Special Delivery

Tito Puente, Phil Woods - Salsa Meets Jazz

oh and by the way, is the Mariano from his Boston days or something from his later years? it sounds like the former, but…

[Bluesnik]

oh i forgot that

Concord downloads

[Dan Gould]

The Ernestine Anderson features some great Gene Harris and Red Holloway, and Live at the LOA is one of the best Ray Brown - Gene Harris - Jeff Hamilton releases.

[Claude]

These are 320kbs MP3 files, so the quality should be almost CD-like. But at that filesize, they could have gone all the way and offer lossless files.

The price is invariably 12€ for a complete album, which is acceptable for a full price album (18€ on CD), but too high for a mid price album, which usually retail for less than 10€ on CD.

Edited March 31, 2008 by Claude

[RDK]

All/most of those are already available digitally at emusic, and for much less.

[user0815]

The price is invariably 12€ for a complete album, which is acceptable for a full price album (18€ on CD), but too high for a mid price album, which usually retail for less than 10€ on CD.

why should i buy the download version of gabor szabos "spellbinder" for 12€ ... when i can order the cd version for 7€ from amazon ?

i'm not that stupid ! :rsmile:

[7/4]

why should i buy the download version of gabor szabos "spellbinder" for 12€ ... when i can order the cd version for 7€ from amazon ?

i'm not that stupid ! :rsmile:

Old sales trick...they're going to check and see if you are!

[jazztrain]

The Charlie Mariano material is from his Boston days. The CD issue combined material that had originally been issued on two 10" Prestige releases.

after Verve and some other case i saw the other day but which i can’t remember now, Concord is going the easy manufatureless route and offering a bunch of digital only reissues for download.

admittedly, there’s nothing too exciting there but there are some nice bits in between. there’s one Prestige among them i've been eyeing and on the verge of getting from Japan for a long time now: the Jon Eardley Seven. I’m surprised to see it pop up here.

and there’s a Coleman Hawkins, an Elvin Jones, an Osie Johnson, Dexter Gordon’s complete Prestiges and Herbie Harper - Jazz In Hollywood, of which I’m unsure if it is a Nocturne. I seem to recall there was some Nocturne material released under OJC.

overall it's an odd mix of recent releases and historic reissues though, some of which are still available (Tania Maria/Viva Brasil, Barclay) and it’s far from the collector’s wet dream it could have turned out to be.

plus I’m not so keen on the digital format. at least not for jazz. maybe for some more contemporary consumer music, like my dubstep, clubjazz or broken beat. but for jazz and for anything I won’t discard after a year (Brazil and soul too!!) I prefer to have the covers, liner notes and graphic material, to have a feel of the original release, a sense of product. I’m a bit old fashioned here. so I might end up getting the Jon Eardley as a Japanese pressing after all.

the (first?) titles in this new download series are:

Ahmed Abdul Malik - Jazz Sahara

Al Cohn - Broadway (Reissue)

Avishai Cohen - Adama

Avishai Cohen - Colors

Avishai Cohen, The International Vamp Band - Unity

Barbara Lea - Barbara Lea (Reissue)

Bill Evans - Blue In Green (Reissue)

Bob Berg - Another Standard

Charlie Byrd - The Charlie Byrd Christmas Album

Charlie Byrd - The Washington Guitar Quintet

Charlie Byrd, Laurindo Almeida - Brazilian Soul

Charlie Mariano - Boston All-Stars

Charlie Rouse Quintet - Takin' Care Of Business (Reissue)

Chris Potter - Unspoken

Chris Potter Quartet - Vertigo

Claire Austin - Claire Austin Sings "When Your Lover Has Gone" (Reissue)

Coleman Hawkins - Bean And The Boys (Reissue)

Count Basie - Live In Japan '78

Dexter Gordon - The Complete Prestige Recordings

Doris Day - The Love Album

Elvin Jones - Elvin! (Reissue)

Ernestine Anderson - Never Make Your Move Too Soon

Ernestine Anderson - When The Sun Goes Down

Gary Burton - Astor Piazzolla Reunion: A Tango Excursion

Gary Burton - Libertango

Gary Burton & Friends - Departure

George Shearing - Duets

George Shearing - Grand Piano

George Shearing - Piano

George Shearing, Mel Tormé - An Evening With George Shearing and Mel Tormé

George Shearing, Mel Tormé - An Elegant Evening

Herbie Harper - Jazz In Hollywood (Reissue)

Honi Gordon - Honi Gordon Sings (Reissue)

John Coltrane - Blue Trane: John Coltrane Plays The Blues (Reissue)

Jon Eardley - The Jon Eardley Seven (Reissue)

Kenny Burrell - Lotus Blossom

Kenny Burrell - Lucky So and So

Marian McPartland - From This Moment On

Marian McPartland - Live At Maybeck Recital Hall (Vol. 9)

Marian McPartland - Plays The Benny Carter Songbook

Marian McPartland - Silent Pool

Marian McPartland Trio - Live At Yoshi's Nitespot

Matthew Gee - All-Stars Jazz By Gee! (Reissue)

Mel Tormé - A&E Presents An Evening With Mel Tormé - Live From The Disney Institute

Mel Tormé - My Night To Dream

Mel Tormé, Cleo Laine - Nothing Without You (Live At The Loa)

Monica Mancini - The Dreams Of Johnny Mercer

Nnenna Freelon - Maiden Voyage

Oscar Peterson - Oscar Peterson Live!

Osie Johnson - Osie's Oasis (Reissue)

Poncho Sanchez - Out Of Sight!

Ray Brown - Trio Summer Wind (Live At The Loa)

Ray Brown Trio, Ralph Moore - Moore Makes 4 (Live At The Loa)

Scott Hamilton, Harry Allen - Heavy Juice

Sonny Rollins - Silver City (A Celebration Of 25 Years Of Milestone) (Reissue)

Tania Maria - Viva Brazil

Tania Maria, Viva Brazil Quartet - Live At The Blue Note

Ted Curson - Plays Fire Down Below

The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Concord On A Summer Night (Remastered)

The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Paper Moon

The Ray Brown All Stars - Don't Forget The Blues

The Ultimate Mancini Orchestra - Ultimate Mancini

Tito Puente - Master Timbalero

Tito Puente & His Latin Ensemble - Mambo Diablo

Tito Puente, Maynard Ferguson - Special Delivery

Tito Puente, Phil Woods - Salsa Meets Jazz

oh and by the way, is the Mariano from his Boston days or something from his later years? it sounds like the former, but…

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Glad to see Dan's endorsement of the Ernestine Andersons - a singer I haven't paid enough attention to in the past.

I'm glad Concord is doing this. One day, they may put the Freddie McCoys and Paul Bryants out in this format.

MG

[Dan Gould]

Glad to see Dan's endorsement of the Ernestine Andersons - a singer I haven't paid enough attention to in the past.

I should make it clear that I was speaking of When the Sun Goes Down. Not familiar with the other one.

[captainwrong]

All/most of those are already available digitally at emusic, and for much less.

And available digitally on CDs as well for that matter.

(I hate how common it's becoming to use digital and download interchangeably. CDs are digital too, after all.)

[Kyo]

All/most of those are already available digitally at emusic, and for much less.

Yeah, seriously - what's the point here?

[Claude]

The Universal download site mentionned above is a european (german) store. Emusic is a US store.

The rightholders could put restrictions on the stores to sell to customers in their region only, thereby forcing european buyers to go to the more expensive one. I think this is already the case with some Emusic downloads, which are restricted to the US.

With iTunes, people are forced to go to their "national" store. This is not Apple's fault, but due to the national/regional nature of copyrights.

[Claude]

These are 320kbs MP3 files

I think I was wrong. According to the site FAQ, these are not MP3s but WMA files, which are DRM-protected. Windows Media Player must be used. That's really lame, considering the price.

Edited April 1, 2008 by Claude

[king ubu]

I still prefer the actual product.

Has anyone started thinking about the durability of digital files? (ok ok, CDs contain digital files, too, but they're on a physical carrier which should not disintegrate too fast).

What are you doing with all those MP3s? Store them on various huge external drives? What if one goes bad, do you keep them twice (is that even allowed or would that be piracy already? Are you allowed to hook up such a drive on several computers or will the files auto-destruct when you do that...?)

Seriously: what about the durability? I am well aware that CDs are most likely not for externity, but they're still around anw working after more than 20 years. Will that be the case with digital files? I know HDs are growing in size, and quite possibly we'll be able to store things online eventually, so we might not keep HDs ourselves (if we then trust to whomever stores whatever you want them store - I'd not trust too much...).

What are you people doing about all this? My situation is such that I do have two external HDs filled with music and am about to buy two new ones to do an actual "music library", backed up on two drives containing all the same stuff. No way I could keep it all on my internal HD or even less on my ipod, and it keeps expanding... (mainly in my case by radio shows I download in mp2 format as well as by MP3s ripped from my own CDs).

[Claude]

Flurin, I think this has been discussed here a few times already. Durability is not an issue, as long as people care about minimum backup measures. This is even more important with personal data (photos, emails, etc) than with purchased music.

If your house burns down, your whole CD and LP collection is gone. You probably don't have a backup elsewhere. you need to find and buy everything again. With downloads, you can keep multiple copies on multiple locations, burned to inexpensive DVD-Rs or saved to a hard drive. Or you can simply download again the music that you bought, depending on the store policy.

If you suspect that a DVD-R or hard drive has data consistency problems, copy the data over to a different carrier. You just need to think about it and test the discs every couple of years.

[Tom Storer]

If you lose the file--or a CD, for that matter--well, let it go. Be zen about it. Life is short.

[king ubu]

Flurin, I think this has been discussed here a few times already. Durability is not an issue, as long as people care about minimum backup measures. This is even more important with personal data (photos, emails, etc) than with purchased music.

If your house burns down, your whole CD and LP collection is gone. You probably don't have a backup elsewhere. you need to find and buy everything again. With downloads, you can keep multiple copies on multiple locations, burned to inexpensive DVD-Rs or saved to a hard drive. Or you can simply download again the music that you bought, depending on the store policy.

If you suspect that a DVD-R or hard drive has data consistency problems, copy the data over to a different carrier. You just need to think about it and test the discs every couple of years.

Ok, I see - that's how I do it - but then still I prefer having the actual product (and hoping the house won't burn down...)

but longterm-wise, it's not so simple, really, is it? As far as I know, there are not good digital solutions for longterm archiving yet.

If you lose the file--or a CD, for that matter--well, let it go. Be zen about it. Life is short.

That's the smartest approach I assume...

No need to discuss this further here, it just popped into my thoughts upon reading this thread. These kinds of downloads just don't hold a lot of interest for me. Now if Sony/BMG and EMI and everyone would start offering their historical recordings (say, from the beginnings to the 40s or something) in *complete* fashion and good quality, that would be a whole different thing - the possibility to fill up gaps session by session, also stuff on smaller labels, that would be great, sort of like a huge library where you can borrow/buy anything you want, not just your latest new album crap.

Now I promise I finish ranting for today

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

'Sall right for you guys who like western musics - about a quarter to a third of my collection is never going to be digitised by anyone. And it was deadly difficult to find in the first place. Replacement is quite impossible.

MG

[sjarrell]

With iTunes, people are forced to go to their "national" store. This is not Apple's fault, but due to the national/regional nature of copyrights.

I just downloaded the new Supergrass from the UK's 7Digital, since I couldn't use UK itunes, what with being in the US. 320MB, DRM free, and regional copyright laws don't apply. And they're official.

Maybe their servers are on a boat?

[Claude]

It's the national collecting societies (represeting the composers) that made it difficult for apple to establish iTunes in Europe:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/06/21/royalties21_ed3_.php

Maybe the smaller download stores were considered irrelevant by those organisations. Emusic has been selling downloads worldwide already in 2002.